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Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by SpecialistK »

MBCook wrote: post #126
xeromal wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It uses the iphone processor (which I think still might be one of those Mchips?) so I think it was ok to be unsure.

The M line was derived from the A line in the phones, and the individual cores are generally the same (though not in the same year). Counts, accelerators, other stuff on package/die is custom. I think it was a fair question too. Even if things should be capable it was always possible the feature would be disabled in hardware or software somehow. And with iPhones never running VMs as far as I know, we didn’t know if i…

UTM seems to make VMs available on iOS (with App Store limitations) although I've only used it on Mac: https://docs.getutm.app/

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by nextos »

roody15 wrote: post #131

MacBook Neo is going to sell like crazy. In the education market, educators, students, aides... nothing close at this price point. With memory and SSD prices so high I don't see how Dell, Asus and others are going to be able to compete. Unless the build quality is significantly worse than a M1 macbook air not sure budget PC makers will be able to compete.

In the US, cheap ThinkPads like E14 sometimes sell for a bit less when you factor in all typical discounts. They are good machines that run Linux well and can be repaired.

In EU, and I imagine other markets, there's nothing remotely close. I hope this puts some pressure on Lenovo and the rest of manufacturers to be more competitive.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by victorbjorklund »

p_ing wrote: post #100
LoganDark wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between bloated and batteries included. From a development point of view, macOS has native system libraries for things no other platform seems to include native system libraries for. And by "native system libraries" I do not mean downloadable content, dynamic support or anything similar, even if they're first-party. Though having unremovable system apps for every one of Apple's services MAY count…

The definition of bloat is something that you don’t use, even if someone else does.

There are a lot of stuff in all Linux distros that I never use.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by wtallis »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #96
stuxnet79 wrote: post #40

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If the A18 Pro has the same ISA as the M-series chips then this may not be so straightforward. I am still hanging on to my 2020 Intel MBP for dear life because it is the only Apple device I own that allows me to run Ubuntu and Windows 11 on a VirtualBox VM.

The instruction set is not the issue, the issue is on ARM there's no standardized way like on x86 to talk to specialized hardware, so drivers must be reimplemented with very little documentation.

That has nothing to do with running VMs.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by porphyra »

nextos wrote: post #152
roody15 wrote: post #131

MacBook Neo is going to sell like crazy. In the education market, educators, students, aides... nothing close at this price point. With memory and SSD prices so high I don't see how Dell, Asus and others are going to be able to compete. Unless the build quality is significantly worse than a M1 macbook air not sure budget PC makers will be able to compete.

In the US, cheap ThinkPads like E14 sometimes sell for a bit less when you factor in all typical discounts. They are good machines that run Linux well and can be repaired. In EU, and I imagine other markets, there's nothing remotely close. I hope this puts some pressure on Lenovo and the rest of manufacturers to be more competitive.

> and can be repaired

The Macbook Neo is highly repairable too [1]. Not _quite_ as repairable as some Thinkpads with a 10/10 score, but still pretty respectable at a 6/10 with easily replaceable batteries and stuff.

[1] https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-r...

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by ezfe »

Aurornis wrote: post #41
bfrog wrote: post #13

Funnily it probably runs Windows better than the typical corporate spyware burdened x86 laptop.

Every thread about Windows on Hacker News includes claims about apps taking 30 seconds to launch, web pages taking 20 seconds to load, simple applications being unusable, and other extreme performance problems. These are puzzling for anyone (like me) who uses Windows at home without all of these extreme performance problems. That was until I realized how many reports are coming from people talking about their work la…

This has always been my experience even just this past week. The system feels so unresponsive.

Like, the UI shows my hovers and interactions live but clicking things just takes time to do the corresponding result.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by MBCook »

js2 wrote: post #136
MBCook wrote: post #123

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Possible catch: Rosetta 2 goes away next year in macOS 27. I don’t know what the story for VMs is. I’d really like to know as it affects me. Sure you can go QEMU, but there’s a real performance hit there.

Not until macOS 28., but you're right, it's frustratingly unclear whether the initial deprecation is limited to macOS apps or whether it will also stop working for VMs. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102527 https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...

Oh I have another year? Phew.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by kstrauser »

dragonwriter wrote: post #144
gamblor956 wrote: post #78

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Most people run Windows just fine on cheap laptops with 4GB of RAM. These won't run Crysis, but they don't need to.

> Most people run Windows just fine on cheap laptops with 4GB of RAM. And if they can do that, they can get them (at full MSRP) for about half the price of a MacBook Neo. Heck, you can get 8GB Windows laptops with twice the SSD size of the MacBook Neo's for a little over half of the Neo’s price (again, at full MSRP.)

> Heck, you can get 8GB Windows laptops with twice the SSD size of the MacBook Neo's for a little over half of the Neo’s price (again, at full MSRP.)

Let's see one of these $300 Windows laptops with 512GB of SSD (in a reasonable format, e.g. not an SD card), a body that isn't disposable, a screen that isn't a dim potato, a CPU that's within 20% of the Neo's performance, and a GPU that isn't embarrassed to be called a GPU.

I doubt they exist.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by wtallis »

joe_mamba wrote: post #106
windowsrookie wrote: post #80

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The reality is most 8GB M1 Macs are still working just fine 6 years later. Power users know they need more than 8GB of RAM and will buy a MacBook Air or Pro with 16GB+. The MacBook neo is for students, grandparents, travel, etc. Hell, even if it dies after 6 years it was still a better experience than using a $500-600 windows PC and the cost comes out to ~$8/month spread over 6 years.

>The reality is most 8GB M1 Macs are still working just fine 6 years later. Do you think SSD drives are replaceable for no reason? Just because M1 mac aren't failing left and right doesn't mean their NAND won't fail. Even though I like the NEO, I can't in good faith buy a machine with soldered wearable parts. That's like buying a car with soldered brake pads because "in 6 years average users don't feel like they need…

> Do you think SSD drives are replaceable for no reason?

The number one reason why laptop OEMs primarily use replaceable SSDs is so that they can switch SSD vendors on a monthly basis to whoever is the lowest bidder at the moment. The number two reason is so that they can offer multiple storage capacity options without building different motherboard configs (though in practice, a lot of OEMs never get around to actually selling the alternative configs). Repairability is a very distant third place.

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