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The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by DiskoHexyl »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #91
dehsge wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Members only comment blogs. Where you need an invite to comment also solves the problem. You need to know a real human to get access.

>Where you need an invite to comment also solves the problem. You need to know a real human to get access. Bittorrent trackers, as absolute retarded as they are, have performed this experiment for us and the lesson we're supposed to learn is that this does not work. Someone, somewhere, has an incentive to invite the wrong sort eventually, which because of the social network graph math stuff, eventually means "soon".…

Actually it does work for those invite-only trackers, especially in niche fields.

Unlike most public trackers which are either dead or on a life-support, member-only and invite-only sites are still kicking.

And you are personally responsible for your invitee

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Post by genpfault »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #58
amiantos wrote: post #51

Why is it being called dead internet theory when, as far as I can tell, what's really happening is that big centralized systems are being overrun with bots? The internet existed and was pretty great before these large centralized systems came into being. Anyone can still run a blog/website, and/or their own discourse server. There's no need to mourn for these centralized systems that largely existed only to exploit u…

> Why is it being called dead internet theory “A social networking system simulates a user using a language model trained using training data generated from user interactions performed by that user. The language model may be used for simulating the user when the user is absent from the social networking system, for example, when the user takes a long break or if the user is deceased” [1]. (More seriously: https://en.…

> A social networking system simulates a user using a language model trained using training data generated from user interactions performed by that user

Google People[1]?

[1]: https://qntm.org/perso

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by knaik94 »

august- wrote: post #22

do you think small, invite-only communities will end up being the last holdout for genuine human conversation online? or will bots eventually infiltrate those too?

I think most small communities will stand bot-free because there's little incentive to have bot engage with it.

But I wonder if there's a size of conversation after which people will still choose AI assisted summaries. Discord had/(has?) a feature where it used LLMs summarize and then notify you about a discussion happening.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by talkingtab »

It is the corporate internet - the one by the corporation, for the corporation that is dead. Or at least everything in it is dead. The death blow is AI, but it was almost there anyway.

The good news is that the community internet - for the community, by the community - is just starting.

What is a community internet? The internet is layered protocols. UDP, ICMP, TCP, HTTP, HTTPS etc. The community internet is just a new layer of protocols. Coming soon.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by Kapura »

People need to look long and hard at how they are using technology, and ask how technology should be used. Every single technological trend for the past 10 years has been smoke and mirrors, promising utility of an iPhone but with deliverables closer to a blockchain full of links to jpegs.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by obsidianbases1 »

amiantos wrote: post #51

Why is it being called dead internet theory when, as far as I can tell, what's really happening is that big centralized systems are being overrun with bots? The internet existed and was pretty great before these large centralized systems came into being. Anyone can still run a blog/website, and/or their own discourse server. There's no need to mourn for these centralized systems that largely existed only to exploit u…

> what's really happening is that big centralized systems are being overrun with bots? The internet existed and was pretty great before these large centralized systems came into being.

This is a great point. Suddenly, I'm looking forward to this

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Post by chewbacha »

talkingtab wrote: post #154

It is the corporate internet - the one by the corporation, for the corporation that is dead. Or at least everything in it is dead. The death blow is AI, but it was almost there anyway. The good news is that the community internet - for the community, by the community - is just starting. What is a community internet? The internet is layered protocols. UDP, ICMP, TCP, HTTP, HTTPS etc. The community internet is just a n…

Sure, but just for reference: https://xkcd.com/927/

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Post by twoodfin »

rustystump wrote: post #73

Everyone here is so far from a normie it is almost painful. Dead internet is an outcome of supply and demand. The fundamental issue is that a plurality of humans pref the direction things have gone and are moving in. Is it a good direction? By this crowd’s standards, no. To be clear, i dont like either but when i watch the speed kids swap between 5 insta accounts and 3 reddit accounts, it seems the majority are happy…

Let’s not kid ourselves: Every day, multiple “I just asked the LLM to clean up my notes” posts are voted up to the front page here, often with highly engaged, appreciative comment sections.

LLM’s for all their faults are well-trained to produce what we want.

Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by mrkramer »

Tbh I don't care if I speak to a human or a bot as long as they are "useful"; by useful I mean if they provide me useful information but then again humans can provide unique information that bots can not. But I think identity is not relevant anymore, what's relevant is reputation. People think internet bots are bad per se but we need to build useful bots, just like there are chat bots that are useful on various platforms like Telegram, Discord or whatever other platforms people use.
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