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I built a programming language using Claude Code

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Re: I built a programming language using Claude Code

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Post by wild_egg »

kccqzy wrote: post #125
wild_egg wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a citation for that?

There are so many cases of the copyright office rejecting the request to register copyright for AI-generated works. Here’s just one example: https://www.copyright.gov/rulings-filings/review-board/docs/... (skip to section III).

> This analysis will be “necessarily case-by- case” because it will “depend on the circumstances, particularly how the AI tool operates and how it was used to create the final work.”

This seems the opposite of the cut and dry "cannot be copyrighted" stance I was replying to.

Re: I built a programming language using Claude Code

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Post by amelius »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #105
amelius wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's arguably not very ergonomic, which is probably the biggest requirement for a programming language.

Why care about ergonomics if you're not going to write the code?

Managers also want ergonomics.

Re: I built a programming language using Claude Code

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Post by Fnoord »

spelunker wrote: post #30
andsoitis wrote: post #2

> While working on Cutlet, though, I allowed Claude to generate every single line of code. I didn’t even read any of the code. Instead, I built guardrails to make sure it worked correctly (more on that later). Impressive. As a practical matter, one wonders what th point would be in creating a new programming languages if the programmer no longer has to write or read code. Programming languages are after all the inter…

Like everything generated by LLMs though, it is built on the shoulders of giants - what will happen to software if no one is creating new programming languages anymore? Does that matter?

Without proper attribution, it seems more fair to say copyright infringement occurred, on a massive scale if I may add. The burden of proof lies at the owners of the LLM. Which is why, if you do not want a blackbox, you want training data to be properly specified. That ain't happening now because of the skeletons in the closet.

Re: I built a programming language using Claude Code

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Post by thunky »

_zagj wrote: post #130
bobjordan wrote: post #58

I've been working on a large codebase that was already significant before LLM-assisted programming, leveraging code I’d written over a decade ago. Since integrating Claude and Codex, the system has evolved and grown massively. Realistically, there’s a lot in there now that I simply couldn't have built in a standard human lifetime without them. That said, the core value of the software wouldn't exist without a human a…

> Realistically, there’s a lot in there now that I simply couldn't have built in a standard human lifetime without them. I have yet to see a study showing something like a 2x or better boost in programmer productivity through LLMs. Usually it's something like 10-30%, depending on what metrics you use (which I don't doubt). Maybe it's 50% with frontier models, but seeing these comments on HN where people act like they…

Odd choice of a comment to post this reply to.

I guess you're just not going to believe what anyone says.

Re: I built a programming language using Claude Code

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Post by bfivyvysj »

kreek wrote: post #150

This is the second "I built a programming language" post in a day, and if I post the one I'm building, we can have a three-day streak :D They thought AI meant personal software, but it also means personal programming languages! In all seriousness, this is great, and why not? As the post said, what once took months now takes weeks. You can experiment and see what works. For me, I started off building a web/API framewo…

I should post number 4, last week I built a new lisp framework for LLMs as first class programmers. It compiles for go, python, and JS.

Re: I built a programming language using Claude Code

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Post by _zagj »

thunky wrote: post #156
_zagj wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Realistically, there’s a lot in there now that I simply couldn't have built in a standard human lifetime without them. I have yet to see a study showing something like a 2x or better boost in programmer productivity through LLMs. Usually it's something like 10-30%, depending on what metrics you use (which I don't doubt). Maybe it's 50% with frontier models, but seeing these comments on HN where people act like they…

Odd choice of a comment to post this reply to. I guess you're just not going to believe what anyone says.

> Odd choice of a comment to post this reply to.

How? They claimed LLMs somehow enabled them to write more code in the span of 3.5 years (assuming they started with ChatGPT's introduction) than they would be able to write in the span of decades. No studies have shown this. But at least one study did show that LLM devs overestimate how productive these systems make them.

Re: I built a programming language using Claude Code

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Post by heavyset_go »

wild_egg wrote: post #148
heavyset_go wrote: post #119

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Yes[1]. Copyright applies to human creations, not machine generated output. It's possible to use AI output in human created content, and it can be copyrightable, and substantiative, transformative human-creative alteration of AI output is also copyrightable. 100% machine generated code is not copyrightable. [1] https://newsroom.loc.gov/news/copyright-office-releases-part...

> The content you are looking for is currently unavailable.

Here's the correct link, I accidentally added an 'l' to the end when pasting: https://newsroom.loc.gov/news/copyright-office-releases-part...

Re: I built a programming language using Claude Code

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Post by kccqzy »

wild_egg wrote: post #151
kccqzy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many cases of the copyright office rejecting the request to register copyright for AI-generated works. Here’s just one example: https://www.copyright.gov/rulings-filings/review-board/docs/... (skip to section III).

> This analysis will be “necessarily case-by- case” because it will “depend on the circumstances, particularly how the AI tool operates and how it was used to create the final work.” This seems the opposite of the cut and dry "cannot be copyrighted" stance I was replying to.

Yes it does depend on the circumstances. You are free to waste your own time to try this at the copyright office, but in my opinion, this project's 100% LLM output where the human element is just writing prompts and steering the LLM is the same circumstance as my linked case where the human prompted Midjourney 624 times before producing the image the human deemed acceptable. The copyright office has this to say:

> As the Office described in its March guidance, “when an AI technology receives solely a prompt from a human and produces complex written, visual, or musical works in response, the ‘traditional elements of authorship’ are determined and executed by the technology—not the human user.”

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