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Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

piva00 wrote: post #111
ahsillyme wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think any reasonable person would think this decision works to fill the coffers of anybody. Everyone is getting shafted.

Oil companies in the USA seeing a price hike from ~US$60 to over US$100? It definitely fills their coffers, lots of barely-profitable/non-profitable shale extraction becomes viable. Of course, there's also the angle with Miriam Adelson who might have sweet talked Trump into going aboard with Israel on this disaster.

If the TV show Landman is to believed, its not all rosy for the oil companies when prices go over $100 because it leads to people using less gas:

"Well, you want oil to live above 60 but below 90. And don’t get me wrong, we’re still printing money at 90, but gas gets up over $3.50 a gallon, it starts to pinch. It hits a hundred, every product in America has to readjust its price. $78 a barrel, that’s about perfect. You know, brings enough profit to keep exploring, but it don’t sting as much at the pump."

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by manyaoman »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #146
blini-kot wrote: post #143

"Tehran oil sites on fire as Iran exchanges strikes with Israel and US – video report" You know, the usual independent and objective framing - its "Iran exchanges strikes", not "Israel and US started a war of aggression amid negotiations and bombed Tehran" or whatever

Earlier today in the NYTimes, this gem of unbiased headlines: "A U.S. Tomahawk missile hit a naval base beside an Iranian school, video shows." While in the article: "A newly released video adds to the evidence that an American missile likely hit an Iranian elementary school where 175 people, many of them children, were reported killed." So: "Evidence shows US Tomahawk Missile Killed 175 people after it hits a Irania…

I don't think that's correct according to the newly published video. Correct me if wrong, but I think it shows a Tomahawk hitting nearby the school, and based on the amount of dust it seems that the school was already hit moments earlier. So it still isn't 100% clear if the school was also hit by a Tomahawk or by something else.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by ethbr1 »

ikr678 wrote: post #40
keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

This used to be the job of the third estate, but traditional media has all been captured and the algorithms have done the rest, drowning us in a sea of content.

> but traditional media has all been captured and the algorithms have done the rest

We should be explicit about what happened:

Google and Facebook skimmed off most of advertising revenue that previously supported journalism.

Then neither originated new news in quantity or quality to replace what they ate. Revenues (from ads) without costs (of paying journalists) = their profits.

Now, we have orders of magnitude less professional journalism.

When you boil it down, their business models are less about being clever and more about redirecting a huge, previously-social-good flow of money through their toll gates and taxing it.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by insane_dreamer »

kdheiwns wrote: post #58
keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

A lot of people voted on a platform of pissing off a lot of people. A lot of people are pissed. Polls on the day of the invasion indicated a lack of support; since then a lot of people have shown that they're pissed, and now that voter base is supporting the admin and these actions because they see people getting pissed. It sounds petty and dumb. Unfortunately, that's what's happening. 44% support the invasion. [1] T…

Not to mention that a good proportion of those 44% are Christians who dgaf about Iranians; in fact they're probably "heathen" being visited by "God's judgements".

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by insane_dreamer »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #140
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they will still support him. Republicans dying of COVID would still deny its existence on their deathbed, so you can be sure there is no consequence that is too far for them. Farmers bankrupted and people who lost jobs because of Trump's policies continue to support him. Inflation is bad when Democrats do it, but it is fine if Republicans do it, as with all things, because that is how their hierarchy works. Thei…

As much as I tried to discount sweeping accusations made against voters, increasingly I am beginning to think that a lot of those who support this administration really want to see a "whiter" and more Christian U.S. It's getting harder for me to deny. If there are single-issue voters supporting this admin, I suspect for many that issue is not "stay out of foreign wars" but something closer to going back to some mythi…

Also, war with Iran is a "just war of visiting God's wrath on the evil heathen". Fits right in.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by thisisit »

keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

Trump has always been incoherent.

On one hand he had "No new wars", he also was pretty clear on his disdain for Middle Eastern countries - the ones not giving him millions in bribes.

People knew that he was incoherent and inconsistent. He proved that during his first Presidency. So, I don't think it is a case of "not what people voted for". People are getting exactly what they voted for - chaos and incoherence.

As you said, Congress doesn't want to do anything due to elections. And courts have declared that President actions are always justified.

Choices beyond losing election requires either of these branches to act. Without that, wait for the next election.

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Post by alkyon »

Gud wrote: post #119
throwaway132448 wrote: post #62

Why are threads on this topic (and its adjacents) always full of Americans blaming Israel for their own country’s actions? Is it a coping mechanism to not accept any moral accountability? Israel is minuscule in every way compared to the US.

Israel wields a lot of power over the US.

We don't know what happened with the bulk of Epstein's private island videos. Who knows, they may well have resurfaced in Tel Aviv or Moscow. Both countries have a lot to gain from this disastrous campaign.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #154
kdheiwns wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people voted on a platform of pissing off a lot of people. A lot of people are pissed. Polls on the day of the invasion indicated a lack of support; since then a lot of people have shown that they're pissed, and now that voter base is supporting the admin and these actions because they see people getting pissed. It sounds petty and dumb. Unfortunately, that's what's happening. 44% support the invasion. [1] T…

Not to mention that a good proportion of those 44% are Christians who dgaf about Iranians; in fact they're probably "heathen" being visited by "God's judgements".

The religious bigotry on this site is out of control. Christians are labeled/talked about as a block. But Muslims are treated differently, and when it's Muslim thought that is interpreted as bad, we refer to Islamists not Muslims to avoid blanket labeling.

You should edit your post because it represents Christians in a way that is not true the majority are not aligned with a weird minority subset nor the views you are assigning them.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by butterbomb »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #158
insane_dreamer wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention that a good proportion of those 44% are Christians who dgaf about Iranians; in fact they're probably "heathen" being visited by "God's judgements".

The religious bigotry on this site is out of control. Christians are labeled/talked about as a block. But Muslims are treated differently, and when it's Muslim thought that is interpreted as bad, we refer to Islamists not Muslims to avoid blanket labeling. You should edit your post because it represents Christians in a way that is not true the majority are not aligned with a weird minority subset nor the views you ar…

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Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by spankalee »

mike_hearn wrote: post #109
spankalee wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US needs a parliamentary system. Trump would have been dumped already. Instead we have to wait 3 more years to end this insanity.

In Parliamentary systems, governments still regularly do things that violate or weren't in their manifestos.

Of course, but at least there's a realistic, actually used, mechanism for replacing an administration. Impeachment in the US is a complete non-factor, so you can only wait for four years, no matter how bad things get.
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