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US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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You can read the actual pledge at [0]. The executive order regarding it is at [1]. There's some speculation in the comments about what is or isn't in the pledge. I recommend reading it yourself. [0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2026/03/ratepayer-protec... [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/03/rate...

What is the point of reading it? Pledges mean nothing.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tech companies don't really have any issue paying for the capacity, this is a negligible cost compared to the compute capital, they just want streamlined regulatory approvals to bring the plants online.

> The tech companies don't really have any issue paying It reduces profit.

Wrong, using grid power without adding capacity will result in tech companies paying more for electricity too. They want to add capacity.

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Most of these Data centers will be powered by Natural Gas, which flows from production through interstate pipelines, which already are fully subscribed meaning there isn’t any space left. As these data centers come online they will suck supply from these interstate pipelines, drastically increasing prices for all other forms of Natural gas usage (including residential power generation). This has a direct impact on prices for the end user and there is nothing that can be done in time to facilitate this from not occurring.

Building pipelines is a long and arduous process and one that will not be done in time to reasonably accommodate the increase in natural gas demand presented by these data centers.

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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post #36

You can read the actual pledge at [0]. The executive order regarding it is at [1]. There's some speculation in the comments about what is or isn't in the pledge. I recommend reading it yourself. [0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2026/03/ratepayer-protec... [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/03/rate...

It is important to remember that clarifying the legal implications of "pledge" is entirely different than supporting and/or defending this instance of its usage. One can do the former whilst repudiating the latter and remain logically consistent.

I'm not understanding why clarifying the legal implications is important if it's a smoke screen for everyone involved doing what they are going to do anyway. It seems more like a distraction away from the real problems.

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post #149

The training data commons is to AI what oil reserves are to petroleum economies: a collectively generated resource of immense commercial value. Every book written, every forum post answered, every photo shared, every line of code contributed... billions of people built the knowledge base that makes these models work. Without that collective human output, AI is nothing. Alaska and Norway understood something critical…

if you assert ownership over physical infrastructure, the data centers just move to another country or eventually to space.

But the model is built on us. You can move the server anywhere you want. You can’t escape the fact that everything inside it came from human minds. That’s an ownership claim no one can relocate away from.

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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which means nothing because no one believes there are legal consequences if they don't and there are a lot of ways to doge it even if there where a reliable government in place like especially if they do what they have been doing recently (run their own generator, build their own power planes) a lot of this cost is implicit and as such very dogeable. E.g. higher cost for gas power planes for other due to major increa…

>like especially if they do what they have been doing recently (run their own generator, build their own power planes) a lot of this cost is implicit and as such very dodgeable. E.g. higher cost for gas power planes for other due to major increase of demand, higher medical cost due to more air pollution, higher fuel prices, etc. etc. (not even speaking about anything climate change). And it's not just data centers, i…

> gonna fuck over any endangered frogs

Extinction is forever -- your frustration, and that committee process, does not compare directly to species extinction.

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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post #149

The training data commons is to AI what oil reserves are to petroleum economies: a collectively generated resource of immense commercial value. Every book written, every forum post answered, every photo shared, every line of code contributed... billions of people built the knowledge base that makes these models work. Without that collective human output, AI is nothing. Alaska and Norway understood something critical…

Can't really do that for AI. What you gonna do, tax their use of scraped data ? How would even that be implemented ?

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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post #149

The training data commons is to AI what oil reserves are to petroleum economies: a collectively generated resource of immense commercial value. Every book written, every forum post answered, every photo shared, every line of code contributed... billions of people built the knowledge base that makes these models work. Without that collective human output, AI is nothing. Alaska and Norway understood something critical…

We usually just call this collective extraction “taxes”

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which means nothing because no one believes there are legal consequences if they don't and there are a lot of ways to doge it even if there where a reliable government in place like especially if they do what they have been doing recently (run their own generator, build their own power planes) a lot of this cost is implicit and as such very dogeable. E.g. higher cost for gas power planes for other due to major increa…

Similar to the “carbon neutral by X date” promises, this was common around 2016 or so. Notice how companies have mostly cancelled or redefined those promises several years later, once the issue is out of the limelight. If it is not legally required, it will not be done.

Also the fucking carbon credits. "Hey, we paid someone that's actually carbon neutral, we're carbon neutral now!"

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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post #149

The training data commons is to AI what oil reserves are to petroleum economies: a collectively generated resource of immense commercial value. Every book written, every forum post answered, every photo shared, every line of code contributed... billions of people built the knowledge base that makes these models work. Without that collective human output, AI is nothing. Alaska and Norway understood something critical…

Can't really do that for AI. What you gonna do, tax their use of scraped data ? How would even that be implemented ?

The same way Alaska taxes oil extraction. Alaska doesn't track which molecule of oil came from which acre. They don't audit every drop. They tax the extraction operation and collect royalties on the resource being pulled out of the ground. We know who is training large models. We know roughly what data they're using. We know their revenue. A compute tax on large training runs, a revenue royalty on foundation model companies, or a licensing fee above a certain data threshold... none of these require tracking individual data points. They require taxing the extraction operation, which is visible, measurable, and already being monitored to some degree for safety purposes. We already have a very analogous model in the form of oil and Alaska.

Edit: to clarify, this wouldn't be a tax. A tax is the government taking a cut of someone else's money. A royalty is the owner charging for access to their resource. Alaska doesn't tax Exxon for drilling. It charges Exxon for extracting something that belongs to the people. Same principle here.

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