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Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by giobox »

jonpurdy wrote: post #128
praseodym wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hardware is great, but the software is lacking. macOS only supports resolution-based scaling which makes anything but the default 200% pixel scaling mode look bad. For example, with a 27" 4K display many users will want to use 150% or 175% scaling to get enough real estate, but the image will look blurry because macOS renders at a higher resolution and then downscales to the 4K resolution of the screen. Both Wind…

This is correct and also increasingly affecting me as my eyes age. I had to give my Studio Display to my wife because my eyes can't focus at a reasonable distance anymore, and if I moved back further the text was too small to read. I ran the 5K Studio Display at 4K scaled for a bit but it was noticeably blurry. This would've been easily solved with non-integer scaling, if Apple had implemented that. (I now use a comb…

All through the 2000s Apple developed non-integer scaling support in various versions of MacOS X under the banner of “resolution independence” - the idea was to use vectors where possible rather than bitmaps so OS UI would look good at any resolution, including non-integer scaling factors.

Some indie Mac developers even started implementing support for it in anticipation of it being officially enabled. The code was present in 10.4 through 10.6 and possibly later, although not enabled by default. Apple gave up on the idea sadly and integer scaling is where we are.

Here’s a developer blog from 2006 playing with it:

> https://redsweater.com/blog/223/resolution-independent-fever

There was even documentation for getting ready to support resolution independence on Apple’s developer portal at one stage, but I sadly can’t find it today.

Here’s a news post from all the way back in 2004 discussing the in development feature in Mac OS tiger:

> https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/45544/mac-os-x-ti...

Lots of of folks (myself included!) in the Mac software world were really excited for it back then. It would have permitted you to scale the UI to totally arbitrary sizes while maintaining sharpness etc.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by paozac »

perardi wrote: post #130
densh wrote: post #13

I might be the only one, but it's still to this date (and dating all the way back to 2014 with the first iMac 5k display) Apple is the only company that truly gets HIDPI desktop displays with high quality gloss and 200+ ppi at screen this large. In the meantime popular and widely sold gaming screens with matte blur filters and mediocre ppi give me headache and eye fatigue after a few hours of use. Prior generation St…

You are not the only one. I have an ASUS ProArt Display 27” 5K. And I somewhat regret it. I love the pixel density. But I don’t love the matte finish. Which is apparently a controversial take. But I really don’t. I like the crisp pop of typography you get with a glossy display. And, for UI design, the matte finish just doesn’t “feel” like the average end-user experience. I am constantly pushing Figma between my lapto…

I've got that display, too, and quite like it. Matte finish is essential (IMO) if you're annoyed by reflections.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by atombender »

jryio wrote: post #134
thiagoperes wrote: post #4

I got the Kuycon G32P and it’s an incredible alternative. 32in + 6K for less than 2k$ Also works great with other sources like an Xbox I used a Pro Display XDR as my daily driver at work and the difference is minimal

I own this as well and while I appreciably the levelized cost, there is simply zero comparison to my gen 1 Studio Display. The gloss and shin on the Kuycon means it only works in dimmly lit rooms. Nano texture in mixed lighting scenarios is worth every penny even on a lower resolution and lower refresh rate panel.

They sell a matte version, the G32X.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by SamuelAdams »

bsimpson wrote: post #145

As long as we're here: What are people's current favorites for a 5K 27" screen that doesn't cost as much as a whole damned computer?

I have been using 3 VP2788-5K for 6 months. Much better than 1440p or 4k monitors IMO. I spend most of the day on teams meetings and looking at code.

Text is very crisp at this DPI. The built in thunderbolt dock works reliably.

It is annoying how the cables stick down on the bottom of the monitors. A few right angle adapters helps with that.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by jryio »

FinnKuhn wrote: post #146
jryio wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I own this as well and while I appreciably the levelized cost, there is simply zero comparison to my gen 1 Studio Display. The gloss and shin on the Kuycon means it only works in dimmly lit rooms. Nano texture in mixed lighting scenarios is worth every penny even on a lower resolution and lower refresh rate panel.

Do you own the matte display version or the default one?

The matte. It's offensive.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by matthoiland »

bsimpson wrote: post #145

As long as we're here: What are people's current favorites for a 5K 27" screen that doesn't cost as much as a whole damned computer?

I've tried the LG UltraFine and LG UltraGear (w/144hz) ... still went with the Studio Display. Expensive, but my previous Thunderbolt display gave me 12 solid years – hoping the SD does the same.

Edit: Also consider the price of speakers, camera, hub, power, and the "it just works" factor.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by danudey »

AdamN wrote: post #14
geerlingguy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regular consumers probably don't buy these displays in bulk, when you can get very nice displays for less than half the price that are 98% the same on specs. So targeting checkbox-compliance for places like hospital systems is probably an easy win to generating / keeping some long term contracts.

I don't think you can get a DICOM-certified display at 5K and 27" for half the price. Probably like $1k less but that's it - and if you're a radiologist making $300k+ you're not going to want to cheap out on a display.

If you're a radiologist making $300k+ you're going to want to use certified displays so that you don't get sued for using non-approved devices for diagnostic use, and that's going to cost you maybe $6k for a 21" monitor.

https://www.monitors.com/products/jvc-cl-s500-rn?variant=427...

$3300 for a 27" display is ridiculous in comparison.

(Acknowledging that the link I provided is for a pair of monitors, but also those monitors are half price because they're refurbished)

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by tristor »

bsimpson wrote: post #145

As long as we're here: What are people's current favorites for a 5K 27" screen that doesn't cost as much as a whole damned computer?

I've been using an LG Ultrafine 27MD5KL-B for years, and it works pretty flawlessly once I set up BetterDisplay with it. This is my primary work setup, and I think I paid around a grand for at MicroCenter some time back. It has worked great.
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