> Senior judges at the Supreme Court in Delhi have threatened consequences over the use of AI Setting AI aside for a moment, this reflects a broader issue in India and elsewhere. When institutions respond to new technologies with anger or threats rather than systemic thinking, it signals a deeper problem. The real challenge is not AI itself, but how complex systems adapt to change. Instead of reacting defensively, in…
India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is an even clearer case than usual. With software engineers and office work you don’t have legal limitations on who can perform the work, but they exist for lawyers and doctors for example. So if this is a tool, the fault lies fully in the user, and if this is treated as “another persons work” then the user knowingly passed the work onto someone not authorized to do it. Both end up in the user being guil…
> So if this is a tool, the fault lies fully in the user, and if this is treated as “another persons work” then the user knowingly passed the work onto someone not authorized to do it. Both end up in the user being guilty. I am particularly against this point of view, because we as a community have long touted how computers can do the job better and faster, and that computers don’t make mistakes. When there are bugs,…
No community I know.
Otherwise, I agree.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't just the issue stemming simply from not using the right tool? When the stakes are high and you should be checking details, the right tools are grounded Ai solutions like nouswise and notebooklm and not the general purpose chatbots that almost everyone knows they might hallucinate. I also do believe that this use case is definitely a low hanging fruit to automat a lot of manual work but it comes with new require…
Is this a solved problem using the right tools?
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#155There will be many more things like this and it’s an elephant in the room for the supposed mass replacement of people with AI. Some human still has to be accountable. Someone has to get fired / go to jail when something screws up. You can make humans more productive but for the foreseeable future you can’t take the human out of the loop to have an AI implementation that’s not a disaster/lawsuit waiting to happen. Tha…
> You can make humans more productive If productivity is 10x unless work increases 10x jobs will be gone.
"I believe that this is a wildly mistaken interpretation of what is happening to us.
We are suffering, not from the rheumatics of old age, but from the growing-pains of over-rapid changes, from the painfulness of readjustment between one economic period and another. The increase of technical efficiency has been taking place faster than we can deal with the problem of labour absorption; the improvement in the standard of life has been a little too quick ...
We are being afflicted with a new disease of which some readers may not yet have heard the name, but of which they will hear a great deal in the years to come--namely, technological unemployment. This means unemployment due to our discovery of means of economising the use of labour outrunning the pace at which we can find new uses for labour."
While there's no guarantee that what Smith got wrong then is the same as now, it can be a reasonable outcome that "the jobs" won't just disappear.
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Keynes also speculated on what to do with newfound time as a result of investment returns on the back of productivity [1]:
"Let us, for the sake of argument, suppose that a hundred years hence we are all of us, on the average, eight times better off in the economic sense than we are to-day. Assuredly there need be nothing here to surprise us ... Thus for the first time since his creation man will be faced with his real, his permanent problem-how to use his freedom from pressing economic cares, how to occupy the leisure, which science and compound interest will have won for him, to live wisely and agreeably and well."
The modern FIRE movement shows that living at a dated "standard of living" for 10-15 years can free one from work forever. Yet that's not what most people do today. I would suggest that there are deeper aspects of human drive, psychology, and varying concepts of "morality" that are actually bigger factors in what happens to "jobs".
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Some human still has to be accountable. Someone has to get fired / go to jail when something screws up. I remember growing up and always hearing "The computer is down" as an excuse for why things were cancelled/offices closed/buses and trains not running/ad infinitum. At some point I read a article that pointed out that the reason the computer was down was because a person made a [coding] error: the computer itself…
Why does a person need to be disciplined because they made a mistake?
Some of the people in that crowd had driven hours to get there.
That's why the person who made the coding error should have been disciplined.
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#157There will be many more things like this and it’s an elephant in the room for the supposed mass replacement of people with AI. Some human still has to be accountable. Someone has to get fired / go to jail when something screws up. You can make humans more productive but for the foreseeable future you can’t take the human out of the loop to have an AI implementation that’s not a disaster/lawsuit waiting to happen. Tha…
We should have more hygiene when it comes to AI. Text coming out of an LLM should be in a special codeblock of Unicode, so we can see it is generated by AI. Failing to do so (or tampering with it) should be considered bad hygiene, and should be treated like a doctor who doesn't wash their hands before surgery.
Why not start with manual tagging, like "Ad"?
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hate to break it to you but everyone is cheating using AI.
How do you cheat on exams in real time? I saw somebody embed ChatGPT into a calculator, but at that point it's easier to just study.
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#159In Australia, our universities are finding that a large proportion of Indian students have been using GenAI for cheating. Often they get away with it. I'm not saying that people other than Indian overseas students cheat, but it does seem more entrenched. I'd love to know why. It doesn't actually help in the long term!
Citation needed. I have seen these kinds of assertion all my life without any evidence to back them up. For example, when I moved to the US, I was told, again without any evidence, Chinese students cheat a lot. It's always a couple of faculty who extrapolate their experiences with a few students and then slap racial labels on the entire student body.
Notice that these sort of "racist rumours" only started in the last few years and not before. AI has simply lowered the threshold for _everybody_ to take-shortcuts/cheat etc. and nothing specific to any one group other than statistical numbers.
Re: India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders
#160There will be many more things like this and it’s an elephant in the room for the supposed mass replacement of people with AI. Some human still has to be accountable. Someone has to get fired / go to jail when something screws up. You can make humans more productive but for the foreseeable future you can’t take the human out of the loop to have an AI implementation that’s not a disaster/lawsuit waiting to happen. Tha…
I don't believe most countries hold judges accountable for bad ruling at all even before AI era. "Check and balance, except judiciary."