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Post by nubg »

wrboyce wrote: post #8
petcat wrote: post #6

> Mullvad was rejected by Clearcast, the organization responsible for approving all TV ads in the UK and ensuring they comply with the rules set by the authorities > “The overall concept lacks clarity.” “It is unclear why certain examples are included, who the ‘speaker’ represents, and the role of individuals depicted in the car.” > "Referencing topics such as: Paedophiles, Rapists, Murderers, Enemies of the state, J…

My British perspective: I don’t want advertisers free to lie as much as they want. I’ve had ads taken off the TV for being clearly misleading (anyone can raise a complaint to the ASA - the Advertising Standards Agency).

Lies are not protected by the 1A.

Re: Mullvad VPN: Banned TV Ad in the Streets of London [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #109
akimbostrawman wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech does not exist in the UK or EU. At most there are vague free opinion laws with many grey areas that boil down to "keep them to yourself" if you like to keep your door hinged.

I'm sorry to say but that's ignorant bullshit. Freedom, not only of speech, but of expression and information, is enshrined in the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights, the major legal document of the EU; whence I quote: Article 11 - Freedom of expression and information 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas wi…

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Re: Mullvad VPN: Banned TV Ad in the Streets of London [video]

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Post by extraduder_ire »

nubg wrote: post #151
wrboyce wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My British perspective: I don’t want advertisers free to lie as much as they want. I’ve had ads taken off the TV for being clearly misleading (anyone can raise a complaint to the ASA - the Advertising Standards Agency).

Lies are not protected by the 1A.

Yes they are. There is case law about this.

You may be thinking of defamation or fraud, both of which require more than lying.

Re: Mullvad VPN: Banned TV Ad in the Streets of London [video]

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Post by dpatterbee »

SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: post #134
dpatterbee wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a wikipedia article about mass surveillance in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite... . It's longer.

This is whataboutism. It doesn't address any of the points made above.

The point I was replying to used the existence of a Wikipedia article as proof that there is a problem in the UK regarding surveillance. By providing an example of similar articles about other locations I was showing that this alone is not particularly strong evidence. It certainly wasn't whataboutism, I don't even think the user I was replying to is from the US.

Re: Mullvad VPN: Banned TV Ad in the Streets of London [video]

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Post by benj111 »

godelski wrote: post #148
benj111 wrote: post #147

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And can we agree that there are lies that companies tell on adverts that can cause damage? Carlsbergs tag line is still "probably the best beer in the world" despite it probably being not. So the comparison works.

> And can we agree that there are lies that companies tell on adverts that can cause damage? Yes, and very often those companies get sued. I'll agree no often enough. But I'll also note that the outrage leading up to the lawsuit is far more visible than the results of that legal action. I'll also agree that that legal action is often too slow. > Carlsbergs tag line is still "probably the best beer in the world" despi…

I said you can't say whatever you want without consequence. Giving the example of shouting fire.

You responded pointing out it has to be believable, ie real harm done.

I brought it back full circle showing that adverts can 'lie' if it isn't believable.

I am pointing out you are reinforcing my original point, not detracting from it.

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Post by orf »

godelski wrote: post #137
wrboyce wrote: post #8

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My British perspective: I don’t want advertisers free to lie as much as they want. I’ve had ads taken off the TV for being clearly misleading (anyone can raise a complaint to the ASA - the Advertising Standards Agency).

But that has nothing to do with pre-approved . In America there's definitely things you're not allowed to put on TV. Obviously you can't just put hardcore porn on, but you also aren't allowed to directly lie. Though I'm sure what the standards are for lying are different. There's laws against false advertising, libel, and so on. But pre-approved is very different. And honestly, if you're making calls to get misleadin…

> Obviously you can't just put hardcore porn on

Isn’t the thing that actually stops you from doing this just an ad-hoc, informally specified and bug-ridden implementation of Clearcast?

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Post by sieep »

kuerbel wrote: post #119
sieep wrote: post #114

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What about in the cases of satire? I make a joke about the holocaust not happening in a comedy club in Berlin, is that illegal? I think with it being such a slippery slope is why Americans take the stance they do.

It's not a slippery slope. It's a narrowly defined offense tied to a specific historical crime: the state-organized genocide carried out by Nazi Germany. It's a response to a specific historical responsibility. The decisive factor is whether the joke attacks the ideology or reinforces it. So if a comedian in Berlin says "the Holocaust didn’t happen" as a punchline, and it comes across as actual denial or trivializati…

Interesting. Thanks for clarifying further.

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Post by pibaker »

wrboyce wrote: post #8
petcat wrote: post #6

> Mullvad was rejected by Clearcast, the organization responsible for approving all TV ads in the UK and ensuring they comply with the rules set by the authorities > “The overall concept lacks clarity.” “It is unclear why certain examples are included, who the ‘speaker’ represents, and the role of individuals depicted in the car.” > "Referencing topics such as: Paedophiles, Rapists, Murderers, Enemies of the state, J…

My British perspective: I don’t want advertisers free to lie as much as they want. I’ve had ads taken off the TV for being clearly misleading (anyone can raise a complaint to the ASA - the Advertising Standards Agency).

Lying is only ok if it is done by the BBC and funded by tax money.

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Post by tim333 »

remus wrote: post #135
sph wrote: post #102

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Mass surveillance and living in a police state is an ingrained part of British culture. It is no wonder to me that police procedurals are the most popular genre of TV shows in UK by quite a margin. They really are high-quality, but it does really feel like thinly-veiled propaganda (often commissioned by the BBC) portraying the State and police as the good guys in their endless quest against the baddies. Thank god the…

Have you lived in the UK? I have, and it doesn't feel like a police state.

Indeed "totalitarian state controlled by a political police force" is not the thing - Brit here. Iran maybe.

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Post by tim333 »

gib444 wrote: post #136
sunaookami wrote: post #67

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When will the UK citizens stand up against the regime?

It’s illegal to protest in a way that has any real effect now

I live in central London and there are protests pretty much daily about all sorts of things. The problem is more no one paying attention to them rather than their being illegal.
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