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Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

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Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

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I understand the vision, but how does this work on a global scale. e.g. American employees refuse to build this, but China's don't. Edit: I originally ended with "What would have happened if Germany had a nuclear bomb and America didn't?", but I think it distracted from the point I was trying to make so moving this to an edit. I'm not trying to ask "is the US the bad guy". I'm trying to ask how to balance personal an…

>American employees refuse to build this, but China's don't. How about you articulate the threat from an AI powered China to people outside of AI powered China and discuss potential methods to counter that, instead of insisting capabilities be developed just in case. >is the US the bad guy Yes >I'm trying to ask how to balance personal anti war sentiments with the realities of the world Insist on open information, ne…

There is no bad guy in geopolitics, just the other guy.

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

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I understand the vision, but how does this work on a global scale. e.g. American employees refuse to build this, but China's don't. Edit: I originally ended with "What would have happened if Germany had a nuclear bomb and America didn't?", but I think it distracted from the point I was trying to make so moving this to an edit. I'm not trying to ask "is the US the bad guy". I'm trying to ask how to balance personal an…

As I understand anthropic refused two things: domestic surveillance in the US and weapons automated such that they could kill without a human in the loop. I don't think either of these would hamper the US against China in any meaningful way.

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>American employees refuse to build this, but China's don't. How about you articulate the threat from an AI powered China to people outside of AI powered China and discuss potential methods to counter that, instead of insisting capabilities be developed just in case. >is the US the bad guy Yes >I'm trying to ask how to balance personal anti war sentiments with the realities of the world Insist on open information, ne…

There is no bad guy in geopolitics, just the other guy.

"geopolitics" are an abstraction that tries to pave over guilt. But Abstractions are only useful if they provide some benefit. Geopolitics provide no benefit when assigning guilt so its easily ignored.

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>American employees refuse to build this, but China's don't. How about you articulate the threat from an AI powered China to people outside of AI powered China and discuss potential methods to counter that, instead of insisting capabilities be developed just in case. >is the US the bad guy Yes >I'm trying to ask how to balance personal anti war sentiments with the realities of the world Insist on open information, ne…

I think you've missed the point. PRC isn't going to do any of the things you are asking for, and no one expects them to. The threat of an AI powered China is really obvious to me, but apparently the idea of "IP theft and industrial sabotage, but at scale with AI agents instead of human meat sacks" is hard to clearly articulate. One method, beyond AI powered kill chains, to counter an AI powered China is of course str…

I think you missed the point.

I didn't ask China for anything.

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

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Are we comparing the PRC to early 40s Germany/Japan?

The PRC is comparable to early 30s Germany/Japan. We're on a dangerous course toward a devastating conflict if both sides can't reach a stable understanding.

> The PRC is comparable to early 30s Germany/Japan.

In what way?

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