Kodak had man trap turnstiles that would lock you in them if you went through too slow or got snagged while carrying things. You had to reach through the bars and swipe the reader again to unlock it.
We installed a single turnstile to feel secure
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It's not actually the extreme punishments, it's the consistent small punishments. It's that you'll actually, seriously get a ticket for littering, even if it's a relatively small ticket. The "Fine City" enforces it's vision in a ubiquitous way, so people just don't break the rules.
This seems like the most effective solution. Imagine if you knew that if you littered, there is a 100% chance you would get a $10 fine immediately. Almost no one would litter ever again, even though the fine is much smaller than the fine is in most countries. Problem is it just takes a lot of resources to police, more than the fine revenue. But with CCTV and computer vision it's getting increasingly cheap.
There is excellent recent (last 10y) research on this; summary here: https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/five-things-about-deterr...
Unfortunately, the US and many other countries have chosen the other path (sporadic enforcement with severe punishment) largely because it's easier to implement. There's a lot of momentum to change this but it's politically difficult at least in America.
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I think that barrier may be weakening. I reckon that the people most concerned about crime are willing to sacrifice their privacy and defer to their government to prevent crime.
Some people, sure. But I think the shenanigans of ICE are making people more aware of the importance of privacy. Look at the backlash Ring (lost dog superbowl ad) and Discord (age verification) and Nest (Guthrie case) received just this year.
The people I have in mind are the rich, poor and those who fantasize becoming wealthy and fear going broke. I’m uncertain how much these demographics account for the US population and empirically speaking I’m unsure of the gravity of the PR stirs you named. I really don’t know if privacy is the foremost concern when the types of people I’m thinking of consider ICE either.
It really seems to boil down to whether these types of people can be effectively sold on the virtue of tearing down the barriers of privacy and government. If they aren’t already implicitly sold to that then all it takes is for the powers that be to do a better job at marketing their initiative.
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Steal the creds by doing what, though? Most attacks could get their password even if it wasn't in the cookie. And password managers have been plenty well known for a long time.
How do you get the password if it's not in the cookie? When it's in the cookies, any 3rd party script can swipe it.
A third party script that's embedded into the task management website? Otherwise I don't see how it's going to get to the cookie. And if it is embedded into the website, it can force a fresh login and steal the cookie that way.
And you can set HttpOnly to stop javascript from being able to access the cookie... but that still won't stop the attack of making them log in again.
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Card readers in elevators are theater though. You would need separate vestibules to actually secure entry via elevator. That’s why most buildings have those.
Are they? The goal isn't to draw a hard boundary it's to create layered defenses which increase the difficulty and reduce opportunity. If instead of open access you need to tailgate on a limited set of employees, that increases difficulty considerably and makes the opportunity much less common. Real security analysis works this way: you don't assume you can build a wall which is never breached.
Deviant Ollam talked about elevators a lot. You can have the fire marshal's key or an elevator technician's key and know where the secret panel is to override the controls on any elevator, take it to any floor you want, or even between floors, or tag it out of order and hide in there until everyone else goes home. Any elevator shaft should be treated like a door to the outside world, you never know who could come in from the elevator, even if there's a key card.
Re: We installed a single turnstile to feel secure
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>I don’t know what exactly it was, but Singapore felt incredibly safe and crime-free. The extreme punishments for breaking the law might have something to do with it.
It's not actually the extreme punishments, it's the consistent small punishments. It's that you'll actually, seriously get a ticket for littering, even if it's a relatively small ticket. The "Fine City" enforces it's vision in a ubiquitous way, so people just don't break the rules.
Don't people feel anxious all the time? I do when I visit certain places like Singapore, where any misstep feels illegal.
Re: We installed a single turnstile to feel secure
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not actually the extreme punishments, it's the consistent small punishments. It's that you'll actually, seriously get a ticket for littering, even if it's a relatively small ticket. The "Fine City" enforces it's vision in a ubiquitous way, so people just don't break the rules.
This seems like the most effective solution. Imagine if you knew that if you littered, there is a 100% chance you would get a $10 fine immediately. Almost no one would litter ever again, even though the fine is much smaller than the fine is in most countries. Problem is it just takes a lot of resources to police, more than the fine revenue. But with CCTV and computer vision it's getting increasingly cheap.
"Gnonom" by Nick Harkaway describes a society that takes this all the way to invasive mind-reading. A very special read.
Re: We installed a single turnstile to feel secure
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People who commit crimes generally do not think they will be caught and therefore the punishment is of no concern to them. The better way to deter crime[1] is to convince more of the public that people who commit crimes are usually caught. Preferably by actually catching people who commit crimes. 1. aside from the obviously effective but difficult to implement deterrent of meeting everyone's physical needs
A lot of crimes are also committed by people who genuinely don't think about the consequences when they are acting. It doesn't matter how bad or how certain the consequence is, because they aren't thinking about it at all.
I don't think that is a significant proportion of crime, though it certainly exists. Most crime is organized (theft, pickpocketing, robbery, kidnappings, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, racketeering), or it exists in an atmosphere of impunity, where there is a baseline assumption of no consequences (Epstein files, rape culture in certain industries).
Re: We installed a single turnstile to feel secure
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>I don’t know what exactly it was, but Singapore felt incredibly safe and crime-free. The extreme punishments for breaking the law might have something to do with it.
It's not actually the extreme punishments, it's the consistent small punishments. It's that you'll actually, seriously get a ticket for littering, even if it's a relatively small ticket. The "Fine City" enforces it's vision in a ubiquitous way, so people just don't break the rules.
> It's not actually the extreme punishments, it's the consistent small punishments.
Not just the consistent small punishments, but the painful punishments. Pain is an extremely good, human motivator. Why destroy someones life and spend valuable taxpayer money with a 10 year imprisonment, when a rigorous caning session will be 10x more effective ? Many criminals will loudly thump their chest if punishment is merely jail but will dance on eggs to avoid buttock-pain.
Singapore recently introduced 24 strokes for scamming and fraud.
https://apnews.com/article/singapore-caning-scam-law-4f12fbb...
Pain keeps Singapore Polite!