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EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Is this comment AI-generated? All recent comments from this account are two paragraphs-long, and are a vague retelling or the article.

> Is this comment AI-generated?

Who cares? What matters is whether it is good. I’d rather read a good comment that’s computer generated than a bad one written by a human.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Is this comment AI-generated? All recent comments from this account are two paragraphs-long, and are a vague retelling or the article.

> Is this comment AI-generated? Who cares? What matters is whether it is good. I’d rather read a good comment that’s computer generated than a bad one written by a human.

I care. Online forums are for humans to share ideas around. Not for bots to farm karma.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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The EU is displaying exactly the kind of political leadership we need in this topic: pro-consumer, pro-environment, and firmly against planned obsolescence. Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. We only lost that standard when Apple’s 'walled garden' mindset infected the rest of the industry. The amount of avoidable e-waste generated since then is…

Removable batteries were standard in the early days of mobile phones (and laptops) out of necessity: batteries in those days just weren’t very good. They didn’t last long, took hours to charge, and wore out relatively quickly. You’d carry a spare battery around and swap over when your first one ran out. Now days, there is much less need for that because a charge lasts much longer, and if you do run low you can fast c…

You're confusing swappable with replaceable.

It's not for when you run out of power its for when the battery stops holding a charge. Phones almost always last much longer than their batteries.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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> Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. Phones back then were bad (so accommodating replaceable batteries was easy), and batteries degraded quickly (so it was a necessity). Modern phones are smaller, need to be more water proof, stuffed to an unimaginable degree with components -- and modern batteries last a really long time. I am not so sure it's…

>Modern phones are smaller, need to be more water proof, stuffed to an unimaginable degree with components -- and modern batteries last a really long time. This argument always comes up when talking about replaceable smartphone batteries and headphone jacks. But Samsung had waterproof phones before Apple, and they still had replaceable batteries and, gasp a headphone jack. I actually had a Galaxy S5 which I used as a…

Yeah, we have ultrasonic fingerprint sensors underneath displays, infrared structured light cameras, periscope telescopic lenses, foldable displays, computational photography, ... The mobile 5G infrastructure uses beam forming arrays ffs! and they want to tell us they can't make the battery replaceable??? Bullshit

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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> Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. Phones back then were bad (so accommodating replaceable batteries was easy), and batteries degraded quickly (so it was a necessity). Modern phones are smaller, need to be more water proof, stuffed to an unimaginable degree with components -- and modern batteries last a really long time. I am not so sure it's…

Tell that to my Pixel 6a which hardly holds a charge over a day.

I don't know what's wrong. Maybe an app that runs too much when it shouldn't? I know that the Facebook app used to be a battery killer roughly a decade ago.

The battery on the Pixel 6a should be good enough to make the phone run a whole day with no problem. It's almost exactly the same size as the battery in my iPhone 16e that has excellent battery life.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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> Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. Phones back then were bad (so accommodating replaceable batteries was easy), and batteries degraded quickly (so it was a necessity). Modern phones are smaller, need to be more water proof, stuffed to an unimaginable degree with components -- and modern batteries last a really long time. I am not so sure it's…

>Modern phones are smaller, need to be more water proof, stuffed to an unimaginable degree with components -- and modern batteries last a really long time. This argument always comes up when talking about replaceable smartphone batteries and headphone jacks. But Samsung had waterproof phones before Apple, and they still had replaceable batteries and, gasp a headphone jack. I actually had a Galaxy S5 which I used as a…

> Samsung had waterproof phones before Apple, and they still had replaceable batteries and, gasp a headphone jack.

Also, Apple (and I assume others) were building stuff with non-replaceable batteries before they were building stuff that was waterproof. Clearly they're not sealed off in order to make them waterproof, because they were sealed off back when they weren't waterproof too.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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The EU is displaying exactly the kind of political leadership we need in this topic: pro-consumer, pro-environment, and firmly against planned obsolescence. Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. We only lost that standard when Apple’s 'walled garden' mindset infected the rest of the industry. The amount of avoidable e-waste generated since then is…

> Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. Phones back then were bad (so accommodating replaceable batteries was easy), and batteries degraded quickly (so it was a necessity). Modern phones are smaller, need to be more water proof, stuffed to an unimaginable degree with components -- and modern batteries last a really long time. I am not so sure it's…

I had the battery go in my first gen iPhone SE. I had it replaced for £40 and the thing is quite handy as a spare handset although as you say it's underspeced as an everyday phone.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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I have been maintaining this chart of phones with replaceable batteries available in the USA for 10 years now: https://www.productchart.com/smartphones/removable_battery Man, is it empty these days. The chart used to be pretty full. Now it only has about 1% of all phones that are in the Product Chart database. As the other 99% have fixed batteries. I'm looking forward to see if the EU decision will push some companie…

You should add this phone to your list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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It is doable and with all the amazing achievements this is the thing that is too hard to get working? Also all new foldables are not water proof (yet). Your MacBook isn't water proof either yet the battery is also permanently glued in. Why?

MacBook batteries have not been permanently glued in for quite some time. Replacement requires some disassembly but is perfectly doable for most techies. https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Air+13-Inch+Late+2020+B...

You have remove screws and be careful not to damage anything. Easy for you and me but not for the layman.

Sorry but why do we have to accept mediocre as acceptable these days? My old laptop had hot-swapable batteries.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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No it won't. It's about reducing eWaste from the devices itself. Throwing away a whole device just because the battery is bad is much worse than just throwing away a worn out battery. My 9 year old ThinkPad T470 is doing well with his 3rd or 4rd battery (and a new SSD and more RAM). Also external powerbanks are pretty unpractical compared to a fresh new internal battery.

> My 9 year old ThinkPad T470 is doing well with his 3rd or 4rd battery (and a new SSD and more RAM). But would it be doing well with only a new battery? Chances are a regulation that only regulates batteries won’t do much for tech that still is improving at a fairly decent rate.

It's running now with Fedora Linux, but it's still doing everything with 32GB RAM, and it's 2TB SSD what I need. (Editing Documents, doing some light coding, Python, R and browsing the Internet) I also still get 10hrs battery life out of it.

I've thought already about replacing it, but it doesn't make any sense for me. Especially that new ThinkPads in the T-Series have worse battery Life than I get right know due to their batteries being smaller and not anymore hot swappable.

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