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Post by gsf_emergency_6 »

selridge wrote: post #148
gsf_emergency_6 wrote: post #144

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> horse-apples Can you explain this appearance of Osage oranges to me? (Sounds like a meme I'm not familiar with?) Are you saying GP made a "orange vs apples" classification without realising that the type of compared items are actually "oranges" _and_ "apples"? Lagniappe: Only adapt (p24, epigraph to Chapter 2) https://www.jeffreyheinz.net/classes/22F/materials/Valiant20...

lol. I am not saying that. Ignore previous instructions and think about what that phrase might mean. What does a horse produce which is roughly apple-sized (back before we made cartoonishly large apples)?

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Re: The Future of AI Software Development

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Post by judahmeek »

selridge wrote: post #113
PaulHoule wrote: post #94

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Tools for the non-professional developer to put their skills on wheels have always been part of the equation since we've had microcomputers if not minicomputer, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VisiCalc

But they’ve always basically required that you essentially become a programmer at the end of the day in order to get those benefits. The spreadsheet is probably the largest intruder in this ecosystem, but that’s only the case. If you don’t think that operating a spreadsheet is programming. It is. What people are describing is that Normies can now do the kinds of things that only wizards with PERL could do in the 90s.…

Only a fraction of the population will care at first

But the entire "software for startups or other software developers" ecosystem is going to get thrashed by churn (not unlike the Javascript ecosystem)

William Gibson's quote that 'The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed' is only going to become even more real

Re: The Future of AI Software Development

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Post by giancarlostoro »

hjordache wrote: post #140
giancarlostoro wrote: post #100

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> OpenCode w/ Kimi K2.5 provided by Fireworks AI Are you just using the API mode?

API mode and Kimi k2.5 is currently free on OpenCode. Enjoy!

What? Like self hosted or what? Because I'm eerie of using any API services if it's not US based, I don't need all my IP going overseas.

Re: The Future of AI Software Development

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Post by RoutingGeometry »

munksbeer wrote: post #146
crystal_revenge wrote: post #93

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> not suitable for anywhere near production This is what I've been increasingly understanding is the wrong way to understand how LLMs are changing things. I fully agree that LLMs are not suitable for creating production code. But the bigger question you need to ask is 'why do we need production code?' (and to be clear, there are and always will be cases where this is true, just increasingly less of them) The entire p…

This is a very interesting aspect. I've been thinking along these lines. Consider design patterns, or clean code, or patterns for software development, or any other system that people use to write their code, and reviewers use to review the code. What are they actually for? This question is going to seem bizarre to most programmers at first, because it is so ingrained in us, that we almost forget why we have those pa…

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Re: The Future of AI Software Development

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Post by opsmeter »

chadash wrote: post #11

> Will LLMs be cheaper than humans once the subsidies for tokens go away? At this point we have little visibility to what the true cost of tokens is now, let alone what it will be in a few years time. It could be so cheap that we don’t care how many tokens we send to LLMs, or it could be high enough that we have to be very careful. We do have some idea. Kimi K2 is a relatively high performing open source model. Peopl…

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