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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by hu3 »

MBCook wrote: post #90
small_model wrote: post #84

Couldn't Apple make a change that renders all this work a waste of time? i.e. lock out other OSe's from booting for example. I applaud the effort but given MacOs is already a capable unix I don't see the rewards being worth it.

They could have done that day 1 of Apple Silicon. It’s clear Apple went out of their way to make Asahi possible in a secure way. I believe people on the Asahi project have said as much.

Out of their way?

They have been watching talented folks waste their lives away reverse engineering hardware/software that they possess all the schematics of.

If they really wanted to help, all they had to do is send a single e-mail with a zip file.

The distortion field is unbelievable.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by kalleboo »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #101
gr4vityWall wrote: post #3

Great work. I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years, like the Thinkpad T420 used to be. For different reasons, of course. Do the M4 and M5 GPUs also change a lot from the M3? I hope it's not too much work to get those going once M3 is usable.

> I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years I doubt it. For one, the SSDs have limited lifespans, and are soldered on the mainboard. They'll be fine enough for the planned life of the laptop, but eventually secondary market laptops will start seeing waves of failures, at which point people learn that purchasing one is a gamble. The entire Apple silic…

I've yet to see a desktop SSD wear out from writes. The only dead desktop SSDs I've seen have been due to buggy firmware (early drives or that recent batch of Samsungs) or well before their wear level is down (cheap noname drives off amazon).

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

#153

Post by 747fulloftapes »

tredre3 wrote: post #148
cromka wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely not. SSD can be resoldered and that service is actually becoming popular and inexpensive. It's not just MacBooks, nearly all laptops have SSD and RAM soldered. This will become a totally normal thing in a few years from now.

> It's not just MacBooks, nearly all laptops have SSD and RAM soldered That's simply a lie. No other laptop have soldered SSD. An increasing number do have soldered RAM.

> > It's not just MacBooks, nearly all laptops have SSD and RAM soldered

> That's simply a lie. No other laptop have soldered SSD. An increasing number do have soldered RAM.

That's simply a lie. Pretty much all laptops using eMMC or eUFS for storage are soldered directly to the mainboard. These are often budget devices and many are things like x86-based tablets or chromebooks but there are models that are very much laptops. I do concede I am unaware of any non-apple laptops with directly soldered NVMe storage, but your claim that no other laptop have soldered SSD is patently false.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

#154

Post by thenthenthen »

kalleboo wrote: post #152
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years I doubt it. For one, the SSDs have limited lifespans, and are soldered on the mainboard. They'll be fine enough for the planned life of the laptop, but eventually secondary market laptops will start seeing waves of failures, at which point people learn that purchasing one is a gamble. The entire Apple silic…

I've yet to see a desktop SSD wear out from writes. The only dead desktop SSDs I've seen have been due to buggy firmware (early drives or that recent batch of Samsungs) or well before their wear level is down (cheap noname drives off amazon).

My macbook air 2013 ssd died after 10 years, it is not soldered luckily

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by mikae1 »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #101
gr4vityWall wrote: post #3

Great work. I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years, like the Thinkpad T420 used to be. For different reasons, of course. Do the M4 and M5 GPUs also change a lot from the M3? I hope it's not too much work to get those going once M3 is usable.

> I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years I doubt it. For one, the SSDs have limited lifespans, and are soldered on the mainboard. They'll be fine enough for the planned life of the laptop, but eventually secondary market laptops will start seeing waves of failures, at which point people learn that purchasing one is a gamble. The entire Apple silic…

And how easy is it to replace an aging battery?

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

#156

Post by agildehaus »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #101
gr4vityWall wrote: post #3

Great work. I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years, like the Thinkpad T420 used to be. For different reasons, of course. Do the M4 and M5 GPUs also change a lot from the M3? I hope it's not too much work to get those going once M3 is usable.

> I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years I doubt it. For one, the SSDs have limited lifespans, and are soldered on the mainboard. They'll be fine enough for the planned life of the laptop, but eventually secondary market laptops will start seeing waves of failures, at which point people learn that purchasing one is a gamble. The entire Apple silic…

The keyboard has a much shorter lifespan than the SSD, and it's incredibly difficult/expensive to replace.

A single bad key or trace and any Apple laptop is basically toast. $800+ to have Apple replace the top cover.

Maybe an independent shop can do it cheaper, I don't know.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

#158

Post by Jweb_Guru »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #82
ACS_Solver wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure Apple has data showing that their extremely lockdown strategy is good for their business but I feel like I'm one of the potential customers Apple could gain if they didn't have that. They're a fantastic hardware company. But my admittedly very limited experience with Apple software, from iPad to their streaming service website, has been miserable. The UX doesn't work for me, the software just doesn't do what…

I doubt that any company actually cares about what any of the myriad of metrics they collect mean at the C-suite level. I mean, "maybe" I just think it is unlikely. I bet 9/10 times someone just makes a decision about how things "ought" to be and then that's the way it is going forward. The assumption that this is a triangulated and well researched strategy doesn't match my experience in "real-job" world. I mean, may…

This comment expresses how it feels to work in a corporate environment better than anything I've ever seen on this site.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

#159

Post by piloto_ciego »

Jweb_Guru wrote: post #158
piloto_ciego wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that any company actually cares about what any of the myriad of metrics they collect mean at the C-suite level. I mean, "maybe" I just think it is unlikely. I bet 9/10 times someone just makes a decision about how things "ought" to be and then that's the way it is going forward. The assumption that this is a triangulated and well researched strategy doesn't match my experience in "real-job" world. I mean, may…

This comment expresses how it feels to work in a corporate environment better than anything I've ever seen on this site.

This is validating, thanks.

The environment is why I quit my job and started working for myself in January. I hated it. And not to sound like an arrogant ass because there were a LOT of way smarter people than me at $PREVIOUS_EMPLOYER, but having to have meetings to set our meetings, having to explain things that aren't statistically meaningful to people who don't understand stats anyway, and getting code reviews (when I could get them scheduled) from dudes who hadn't touched a keyboard in 5 years was... soul sucking? I'm not doing that anymore. Or ever again.

I mean, maybe it's because I had a more hands-on blue-collar adjacent job before I got into tech? Maybe it's because I'm a fool and couldn't play the game of "pretend to work and look busy. But - and I know this might be kind of messed up - I really like not having to explain things in a series of emails to people other than the customers. I really like not having to answer to anyone but my self and my customers. If I want to do something, well, I just do it now? That's a nice place to be. Riskier for sure, but I think the prior environment would have killed me, so maybe not.

Also, I have time to do shit that's interesting? Who would have guessed how much more time I'd have in the day when I didn't have 4.5 hours of meetings per day? Hell, I'm taking 2 classes at the university for fun (weird right?!) - I never could have done that before because I would have had to make a slide deck for Thursdays All-Hands or whatever and couldn't have missed the SUPER IMPORTANT MEETING that Jake has on the schedule that he'll show up for unprepared or just not show up to.

Nah, the hell with that. I'm never going back.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

#160

Post by FireBeyond »

747fulloftapes wrote: post #153
tredre3 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not just MacBooks, nearly all laptops have SSD and RAM soldered That's simply a lie. No other laptop have soldered SSD. An increasing number do have soldered RAM.

> > It's not just MacBooks, nearly all laptops have SSD and RAM soldered > That's simply a lie. No other laptop have soldered SSD. An increasing number do have soldered RAM. That's simply a lie. Pretty much all laptops using eMMC or eUFS for storage are soldered directly to the mainboard. These are often budget devices and many are things like x86-based tablets or chromebooks but there are models that are very much l…

I think it's a little disingenuous to try to compare high/er end Apple laptops with soldered storage to $2-300 Chromebooks and budget devices with soldered eMMC (which is much more like a CF/SD card than anything else) in your argument in the first place.

As you acknowledge. When you look at actual competitors to Apple, you're forced to acknowledge that yup, no other manufacturer solders storage.

But yes, with due pedantry, the statement that "no other laptop has a soldered SSD" is technically wrong.

You could get into additional debates on whether eMMC and eUFS would map to most people's understanding of "SSD", but...

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