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You can't trust the internet anymore

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Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by lazide »

archagon wrote: post #141
lazystar wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been miserable over the last few weeks after coming to that same conclusion. Its so bad that i doubt the people that were pulling the strings can even tell whats going on anymore.

If the web is burned, something new will arise in its place (with new constraints) as long as there's a need. It's not like we only get one shot at this.

Depends on if someone ends up launching nukes over this, which there isn’t a non-zero chance is going to occur.

This same type of info war tends to muddy, confuse, and get everyone on edge.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by fragmede »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #109
WD-42 wrote: post #16

This is why my friends and I are setting up a mesh network in our town. The open internet has been going downhill for a while, but LLMs are absolutely accelerating it's demise. I was in denial for the last few years but at this point I've accepted that the internet I grew up on as a kid in the late 90s to mid 2000s is dead. I am grateful for having experienced it but the time has come to move on. The future for peopl…

Why not just make an invite only site on the regular web? Drastically less friction.

The friction is the the point, in this case.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by fragmede »

krapp wrote: post #115
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's literally meaningless. also ahistorical, both in that this is not what happened hours after it was first posted to HN (which was months after it was originated), and also in that "things become shittier" was and is still a perfectly common expression, the source of Doctorow's neologism and much closer to what the loose use of it is trying to get at.

>that's literally meaningless. also ahistorical, both in that this is not what happened hours after it was first posted to HN (which was months after it was originated) Maybe it wasn't literally hours, but it was really fast. I remember noting how quickly people began to complain about it being used "improperly." The earliest instance I could find was this thread[0] from 2023 where user Gunax complained about it. I c…

Fun fact: I got called out by Cory for calling other people out on using the term wrong, and he pointed me at: https://pluralistic.net/2024/10/14/pearl-clutching/#this-toi... in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44776712

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by direwolf20 »

mycall wrote: post #129
lowtidebridge wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could set up two way TLS with client certificates

That isn't good enough and could be DDoS'd as well.

There's a dead comment here saying that OpenAI doesn't just DDoS the internet because it can. That's true. Any supposed DDoS is a side effect or incompetent scraping, and won't affect anything they can't scrape. Not sure why it's dead — it's important to realise this.

Edit: oh, it's probably dead because of the username

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by hnarn »

noosphr wrote: post #66
cortesoft wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like solving the problem at the wrong layer? The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. You could easily create your own forum or something and only include people you trust. You don’t need an entirely separate internet.

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mesh network is one way to make sure that no one with a terabit network can index you.

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content.

>>Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now.

You’re missing the point, the point is that while mesh networks solve a problem, it’s not required to solve the problem ”I’m tired of the Internet” or ”I’m being indexed”. You can build your own network on top of the Internet with zero new hardware required, with something like wireguard, i2p or whatever.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by FranklinJabar »

Devasta wrote: post #64

The future of the internet is going to be invite-only enclaves. I sometimes wonder is anyone working on the next generation of discussion forums, or if it'll be a return to PHPBB.

They'll instantly become infiltrated with bots and include people based on arbitrary politics. Either the content is such that it makes zero sense to game or spam or it is lost already.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by FranklinJabar »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #73
Devasta wrote: post #64

The future of the internet is going to be invite-only enclaves. I sometimes wonder is anyone working on the next generation of discussion forums, or if it'll be a return to PHPBB.

lobste.rs is already kinda that I think, makes an interesting contrast to HN, which has a similar crowd but is open to anyone.

Interesting. Seems like it's largely converged to the same site.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by tylergetsay »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #6

Tangentially related, I have a hunch, but cannot prove, that prediction markets are the driving force behind a lot of the bad information online, since they essentially monetarily incentivize making people misjudge the state of the world. There's been a huge uptick in this sort of brigade like behavior around current events. First noted it around LK99, that failed room temperature semiconductor in 2023, but it just k…

The volumes on the majority of markets are very small

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by Bender »

cortesoft wrote: post #28
WD-42 wrote: post #16

This is why my friends and I are setting up a mesh network in our town. The open internet has been going downhill for a while, but LLMs are absolutely accelerating it's demise. I was in denial for the last few years but at this point I've accepted that the internet I grew up on as a kid in the late 90s to mid 2000s is dead. I am grateful for having experienced it but the time has come to move on. The future for peopl…

This seems like solving the problem at the wrong layer? The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. You could easily create your own forum or something and only include people you trust. You don’t need an entirely separate internet.

This is technically correct but there is no harm in them setting up a mesh in the event that the internet goes down assuming they have their own backup power. The USA and EU are both extremely vulnerable to power grid overload, cyber-attack, physical attack choke-points leading to black-starts, EMP, GRB and much more. I think it's good on them for the learning exercise and hopefully they add to existing documentation.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by Bender »

noosphr wrote: post #66
cortesoft wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like solving the problem at the wrong layer? The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. You could easily create your own forum or something and only include people you trust. You don’t need an entirely separate internet.

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mesh network is one way to make sure that no one with a terabit network can index you.

I was able to block them on my silly hobby domains. Most of them were already blocked to begin with from blocking other shenanigans over the years. Even something as simple as blocking anyone that does not support HTTP/2.0 takes out most bots. Adding basic-auth also stops most of what gets through. Blocking TCP-SYN with strange MSS values cuts out many before they can even touch the web daemon.
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