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IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by culi »

fragmede wrote: post #109
vb-8448 wrote: post #83

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just to be clear: from my standpoint it's the worst period ever being a junior in tech, you are not "fucked" if you are junior, but hard times are ahead of you.

OTOH, as a junior, you haven't learned all the wrong lessons that don't apply anymore, and you have fewer responsibilities than the seniors.

This case has always been made for juniors but it's almost always the opposite that's true. There's always some fad that the industry is over-indexing on. Senior developers tend to be less susceptible to falling for it but non-technical staff and junior developers are not

Whether its a hotlang, LLMs, or some new framework. Juniors like to dive right in because the promise of getting a competitive edge against people much more experienced than you is too tantalizing. You really want it to be true

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by AussieWog93 »

idopmstuff wrote: post #117
ChadMoran wrote: post #94

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I'm with you. I own a business and have created multiple tools for myself that collectively save me hours every month. What were boring, tedious tasks now just get done. I understand that the large-scale economic data are much less clear about productivity benefits, in my individual case they could not be more apparent.

I'm thirding this sentiment!

I run an eComm business and have built multiple software tools that each save the business $1000+ per month, in measurable wage savings/reductions in misfires.

What used to take a month or so can now be spat out in less than a week, and the tools are absolutely fit for purpose.

It's arguably more than that, since I used to have to spread that month of work over 3-6 months (working part time while also doing daily tasks at the warehouse), but now can just take a week WFH and come back with a notable productivity gain.

I will say, to give credit to the anti-AI-hype crowd, that I make sure to roll the critical parts of the software by hand (things like the actual calculations that tell us what price an item at, for example). I did try to vibecode too much once and it backfired.

But things like UIs, task managers for web apps, simple API calls to print a courier label, all done with vibes.

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Post by albedoa »

fd-codier wrote: post #124
ChadMoran wrote: post #94

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Everytime someone say something like that there is no link to the product. Maybe because it doesn't exist ?

He is overwhelmed with customers. Can't risk any more awareness.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by [deleted] »

belter wrote: post #113
edoceo wrote: post #91

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> measurable productivity Which measure? Like when folk say something is more "efficient" it's more time-efficient to fly but one trades other efficiency. Efficiency, like productivity needs a second word with it to properly communicate. Whtys more productive? Lines of code (a weak measure). Features shipped? Bugs fixed? Time by company saved? Time for client? Shareholders value (lame). I don't know the answer but th…

I used to write bugs in 8 hours. Now I write the same bugs in 4. My Productivity doubled. \s

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Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by rustystump »

sarchertech wrote: post #146
milchek wrote: post #140

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I think for a lot of folks it basically comes down to just using AI to make the tasks they have to do easier and to free up time for themselves. I’d argue the majority use AI this way. The minority “10x” workers who are using it to churn through more tasks are the motivated ones driving real business value being added - but let’s be honest, in a soulless enterprise 9-5 these folks are few and far between.

Sure but why haven’t you seen a drastic increase in single person startups. Why are there fewer games launched in steam this January than last?

Because ai doesnt work like this “make me money” or “make stardew valley in space”. The hard part is the painful exploration and necessary taste to produce something useful. The number of these kind of people did not increase with ai.

Eg, ai is a big multiplier but that doesnt mean it will translate to “more” in the way people think.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by roncesvalles »

google234123 wrote: post #9
jerlam wrote: post #8

Probably not on the IBM jobs site yet, where the number of entry level jobs is low compared to the size of the company (~250k): https://www.ibm.com/careers/search?field_keyword_18[0]=Entry... Total: 240 United States: 25 India: 29 Canada: 15

Aren't those general jobs opening. Like junior swe only needs a single generic posting for all positions

Exactly, that's why counting job postings is a terrible proxy for gauging market conditions. Companies may hire anywhere from 0 to 100s of people through the same JD.

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Post by hooch »

Insanity wrote: post #33
Nextgrid wrote: post #21

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Why is that bad? You write better code when you actually understand the business domain and the requirement. It's much easier to understand it when you get it direct from the source than filtered down through dozens of product managers and JIRA tickets.

Not sure why this is being downvoted. It’s spot on imo. Engineers who don’t want to understand the domain and the customers won’t be as effective in an engineering organization as those who do. It always baffles me when someone wants to only think about the code as if it exists in a vacuum. (Although for junior engineers it’s a bit more acceptable than for senior engineers).

Too right. Drilling into the domain from first principles and with critical faculties enabled unlocks so much more value, because the engineer can then see much better ways to solve problems.

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Post by jghn »

SoftTalker wrote: post #132
Nextgrid wrote: post #21

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Why is that bad? You write better code when you actually understand the business domain and the requirement. It's much easier to understand it when you get it direct from the source than filtered down through dozens of product managers and JIRA tickets.

Engineers and customers often talk past each other. They focus on different things. They use different vocabulary.

Only true for engineers who don't want to bother learning this skill. Those engineers are going to start finding themselves left behind.

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Post by velcrovan »

halamadrid wrote: post #150

I pay $20 for OpenAI and codex makes me incredibly productive. With very careful prompts aimed at tiny tasks, I can review, fix and get a lot of things done. I’ll happily pay up to $2k/month for it if I was left with no choice, but I don’t think it will ever get that expensive since you can run models locally and it could have the same result. That being said, my outputs are similarish in the big picture. When I get…

I would like to know what models people are running locally that get the same results as a $20/month ChatGPT plan
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