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Discord just killed anonymity

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Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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The section of people who care about anonymity has always been fairly small, even on niche communities like Hacker News. As an example, the most popular comment on the Australian social network ban for teens is in favour: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46208348 Watching as things play out, I understand why people try to target discord et al. with their complaints about the loss of anonymity. Being a tiny minori…

There are two distinct issues:

1) Addictive design of many social networks (doom scrolling et al.) 2) Privacy & age verification

On 1) most parents would support a legal limit on digital media use by age. But it's not a realistic requirement. Next best thing is to outlaw social media that results in addictive scrolling behaviour. Treating it the same way as smoking is not ideal, but no better solutions have been proposed. Many people on HN wouldn't mind if FB, TikTok and Insta were treated the same way as cocaine. I.e. only available for a lot of money to people who are happy to break the law.

On 2) there are ways to implement technical solutions, that would allow the government to provide a privacy conscious service that would allow businesses to check if someone is 16+ or 18+ without collecting any other information. These services can be gamed. But that's not the point. A 14 year old could become addicted to cocaine and we wouldn't usually blame the policy for it. The problem is the government tries to solve problem 1) now, while the solution for 2) is being discussed.

Again, a law that limits social media use for under 16 year olds is necessary. But so is a toolset that would enable a plausible age check, and limit the desire of FANG (and their Chinese competitors) to target minors.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-... > For the majority of adult users, we will be able to confirm your age group using information we already have. We use age prediction to determine, with high confidence, when a user is an adult. This allows many adults to access age-appropriate features without completing an explicit age check. > Facial scans never leave your device. Discord and our vend…

Its particularly interesting for the Australian laws (which don't target Discord yet). The law places responsibility on the targeted platform if they are found with underage users. They must take 'reasonable steps' or face fines. It will be interesting if/when court cases appear. Will easily spoofed or tricked facial scans be considered 'reasonable' by the Australian courts? I think once the dust has settled we will start seeing some court cases and discover how reasonable some of these fig-leaves are.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

#153
post #6

Discord has always had dark patterns which basically ban anonymity. If you aren't fingerprintable enough (using VPN, etc) they will force you to enter a phone number. They also encourage guild admins to require it, although it is technically a choice.

I have used Discord for a number of years always via VPN and I've never given away my phone number.

There are servers that require a phone number to have been provided, I think in an attempt to stop harassment and sock puppets.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

#154
post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who was actually hurt by being exposed to pornography as a child (though this was on the wild internet before Discord), I think you're being both histrionic and downplaying the dangers posed to children online.

That does not mean everybody systematically is "hurt" like you were. That is a very dangerous extrapolation.

Of course not everybody is systematically hurt nor did I claim that. About 11% of porn users are addicts. Porn addiction is real and incredibly difficult. But even when you are not addicted, regular porn usage has negative effects on mental health (lower impulse control, higher rates of depression and anxiety). It stands to reason that this effect would be exaggerated in children and teenagers.

At best, pornography is akin to alcohol and cigarettes. We regulate the ability of minors to access these things for obvious reasons. I see no reason why internet pornography is different.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Why do we care so much about closed platform Discord around here?

many development communities are active on Discord. if you want to follow or contribute to OSS, you'll need to join their Discords.

this is a big problem - if individuals switch to something else, they will lose access to popular Discord communities.

not sure what solution there is for this, as it's unrealistic that all communities would switch to the same alternative (if at all)

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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I used to use discord for games a long time ago, but then I noticed it was being used for more serious stuff. For example, LLVM moved their chats from mailinglists to discord, as did a lot of open source projects. These are big, important projects, and now their chats are not discoverable and will soon be behind ID checks. It really bothered me that so many important projects were relying on a proprietary chat techno…

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Re: Discord just killed anonymity

#157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Control over your data is part of anonymity. Sure, everyone will know the service belongs to you, but you'll be in total control over who knows what exactly. To most people not in the eye of the law, that is most of the anonymity they require. Also, services like TOR exist. Both on the hosting and user side.

If you think TOR is anonymous then I have a bridge to sell you. It's far more likely a fed is going to record your activity on TOR than on a standard open web connection.

The point of TOR is that while it can be detected, at the entry nobody knows what you're sending to whom, and at the exit nobody knows who is sending what. The fed sniffing my TOR connection can't really do anything with it.
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