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WiFi could become an invisible mass surveillance system

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Re: WiFi could become an invisible mass surveillance system

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post #142

This is a VERY controlled environment - and they used 20 passes of each person walking with direct knowledge of each person to train for identity. They did no tests with multiple people walking at the same time, or with any other external moving distortion effects (doors opening, etc) . This is very far from actual 'identification' of people in real public settings - and no doubt the cell phone everyone is carrying w…

Yes but this is just the start and its already good enough for an ICE car to park outside your house and check if you're home and what room you're in.

They can do that by looking at the cars in my driveway/garage and or just watching the windows for any period of time. Plus my phone. If agents are sitting outside of your house, they aren't going to drive away because you pull the plug on the router and suddenly deprive them of BFI packets.

Re: WiFi could become an invisible mass surveillance system

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802.11bf WLAN Sensing Task Group

https://www.ieee802.org/11/Reports/tgbf_update.htm

Task Group bf is expected to develop an amendment that defines modifications to the IEEE 802.11 medium access control layer (MAC) and to the Directional Multi Gigabit (DMG) and enhanced DMG (EDMG) PHYs to enhance Wireless Local Area Network (WLAN) sensing (SENS) operation in license-exempt frequency bands between 1 GHz and 7.125 GHz and above 45 GHz.

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- Stations to inform other stations of their WLAN sensing capabilities

- Request and setup transmissions that enable WLAN sensing measurements to be performed

- Exchange of WLAN sensing feedback and information

Re: WiFi could become an invisible mass surveillance system

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This is a VERY controlled environment - and they used 20 passes of each person walking with direct knowledge of each person to train for identity. They did no tests with multiple people walking at the same time, or with any other external moving distortion effects (doors opening, etc) . This is very far from actual 'identification' of people in real public settings - and no doubt the cell phone everyone is carrying w…

Yes, but things could be refined. With more resources and research thrown at it, it could become more versatile, that's why the title of the post says "could". And chances are, there are private and government entities already doing this. Research like this has been coming out for at least a decade now. Even Xfinity has motion detection in homes using this technique now: https://www.xfinity.com/hub/smart-home/wifi-mo…

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Re: WiFi could become an invisible mass surveillance system

#160
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for now ...

No this is fixed by physics. 5ghz waves are about 60mm wavelength. Your resolution limit is about 30mm as a result.

Wifi 7 includes 6Ghz band but fair enough
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