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Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by taurath »

andkenneth wrote: post #142
freeone3000 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it could do anything that a junior dev could, that’d be a valid point of comparison. But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried.

Companies are not comparing it straight to juniors. They're more making a comparison between a Senior with the assistance of one more more juniors, vs a Senior with the assistance of AI Agents. I feel like comparison just to a junior developer is also becoming a fairly outdated comparison. Yes, it is worse in some ways, but also VASTLY superior in others.

It’s funny so many companies making people RTO and spending all this money on offices to get “hallway” moments of innovation, while emptying those offices of the people most likely to have a new perspective.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by yomismoaqui »

dangus wrote: post #136
logicx24 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't even get through my Claude Max quota, and that's only 200/mo. And I code every day and use it for various other pretty-intensive tasks.

only $200/mo… $200 a month is a used car payment. I guarantee you that price will double by 2027. Then it’ll be a new car payment! I’m really not saying this to be snarky, I’m saying this to point out that we’re really already in the enshittification phase before the rapid growth phase has even ended. You’re paying $200 and acting like that’s a cheap SaaS product for an individual. I pay less for Autocad products! Th…

As company owner the math is simple:

If I pay $3k/month to a developer and a $200/month tool makes them 10% more productive I will pay it without thinking.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by andai »

mohsen1 wrote: post #100
GoatOfAplomb wrote: post #63

I wonder if my $20/mo subscription will last 10 minutes.

At this point, if you're paying out of pocket you should use Kimi or GLM for it to make sense

GLM is OK (haven't used it heavily but seems alright so far), a bit slow with ZAI's coding plan, amazingly fast on Cerebras but their coding plan is sold out.

Haven't tried Kimi, hear good things.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by imiric »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #139
freeone3000 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it could do anything that a junior dev could, that’d be a valid point of comparison. But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried.

But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried. If it falls short every time you've tried, it's likely that one or more of these is true: A. You're working on some really deep thing that only world-class expects can do, like optimizing graphics engines for AAA games. B. You're using a language that isn't in the top ~10 most popular in AI models' training sets. C. You have an opportun…

The possibility that the performance of these tools still isn't at the level some people need it to be is not an option?

It's insulting that criticism is often met with superficial excuses and insinuation that the user lacks the required skills.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by yomismoaqui »

rune-dev wrote: post #149
nlh wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay $200/month, don’t come near the limits (yet), and if they raised the price to $1000/month for the exact same product I’d gladly pay it this afternoon (Don’t quote me on this Anthropic!) If you’re not able to get US$thousands out of these models right now either your expectations are too high or your usage is too low, but as a small business owner and part/most-time SWE, the pricing is a rounding error on value…

As a business expense to make profit, I can understand being ok with this price point. But as an individual with no profit motive, no way. I use these products at work, but not as much personally because of the bill. And even if I decided I wanted to pursue a for profit side project I’d have to validate it’s viability before even considering a 200$ monthly subscription

You can do it for $40 month. What I'm doing:

- $20 for Claude Pro (Claude Code) - $20 for ChatGPT Plus (Codex) - Amp Free Plan (with ads and you get about $10 of daily value)

So you get to use 3 of the top coding agents for $40 month.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by rahimnathwani »

imiric wrote: post #154
rahimnathwani wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried. If it falls short every time you've tried, it's likely that one or more of these is true: A. You're working on some really deep thing that only world-class expects can do, like optimizing graphics engines for AAA games. B. You're using a language that isn't in the top ~10 most popular in AI models' training sets. C. You have an opportun…

The possibility that the performance of these tools still isn't at the level some people need it to be is not an option? It's insulting that criticism is often met with superficial excuses and insinuation that the user lacks the required skills.

That possibility is covered by A and B.

GP said 'falls short every time I’ve tried'. Note the word 'every'.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by bryanlarsen »

dangus wrote: post #136
logicx24 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't even get through my Claude Max quota, and that's only 200/mo. And I code every day and use it for various other pretty-intensive tasks.

only $200/mo… $200 a month is a used car payment. I guarantee you that price will double by 2027. Then it’ll be a new car payment! I’m really not saying this to be snarky, I’m saying this to point out that we’re really already in the enshittification phase before the rapid growth phase has even ended. You’re paying $200 and acting like that’s a cheap SaaS product for an individual. I pay less for Autocad products! Th…

That's one of 3 possible futures.

1. 1-3 LLM vendors are substantially higher quality than other vendors and none of those are open source. This is an oligarchy and the scenario you described will play out.

2. >3 LLM vendors are all high quality and suitable for the tasks. At least one of these is open source. This is the "commodity" scenario, and we'll end up paying roughly the cost of inference. This still might be hundreds per month, though.

3. Somewhere in between. We've got >3 vendors, but 1-3 of them are somewhat better than the others, so the leaders can charge more. But not as much more than they can in scenario #1.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by IhateAI »

azan_ wrote: post #133
IhateAI wrote: post #6

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Of course it's to save businesses money (and not to empower programmers)! Software engineers for years automated jobs of other people, but when it's SEs that are getting automated, suddenly progress becomes bad?

So because those people didn't defend their livelihoods we shouldn't either?

I'd say there's very little jobs that SWE automated away outside of SOME data entry, SWE's built abstractions on top of existing processes. LLM companies want to abstract away the human entirely.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by bryanlarsen »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #139
freeone3000 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it could do anything that a junior dev could, that’d be a valid point of comparison. But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried.

But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried. If it falls short every time you've tried, it's likely that one or more of these is true: A. You're working on some really deep thing that only world-class expects can do, like optimizing graphics engines for AAA games. B. You're using a language that isn't in the top ~10 most popular in AI models' training sets. C. You have an opportun…

> like optimizing graphics engines for AAA games.

Claude would be worse than an expert at this, but this is a benchmarkable task. Claude can do experiments a lot quicker than a human can. The hard part would be ensure that the results aren't just gaming your benchmark.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by imiric »

I find it amusing that the innovation in this space for the past year+ has been mostly centered around engineering: MCP, "agents", "skills", etc. Now "agent" orchestration is the new hotness.

Meanwhile, the same issues that have plagued these tools since their inception are largely ignored: hallucination, innacuracy, context collapse, etc. These won't be solved by engineering, but by new research and foundational improvements.

On one hand, solid engineering was sorely needed, and can extract a lot of value from the current tech. But on the other, all these announcements and improvements feel like companies grasping at straws to keep the hype cycle going by any means necessary. Charts must go up and to the right, or investors get antsy.

It's all adding to the mountain of signs that suggest that this isn't the path to artificial intelligence. It's interesting tech, with possibly many valuable applications, but the "AI" narrative is frankly tiring. I wish I could fast forward on this speculative phase, go past the inevitable crash, and arrive at a timeframe where we've figured out what this tech is actually good for, and where we hopefully use it more for good than evil.

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