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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Enforcing racial purity laws is abuse? Why are you impeding the Gestapo, a federal law enforcement agency? Why do you hate law and order, dirty anarchist?

These are sad and dangerous times, you really should append the /s these because there are way too many people on HN who would take your comment and say 'he's one of us!'.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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In a way, this is a good thing. Hopefully it will draw the attention of other countries and make them realize how important it is to prevent such data hoards, and hopefully once the US has recovered they'll learn from it like the Germans did from the Stasi.

Maybe California will even take it as an incentive to make proper privacy laws and impose it on anyone doing business in California in any way.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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German here, with little stakes in your shitshow. At no point during the obama years did I think: "Wow this looks just like the rise of the nazis!" Which was covered extensively during my history classes. Why did you even have all the school schootings if you don't use that stupid second ammendmend thing you have? This is the tyranical government you've all been waiting for.

You can really tell which states actually fund their education programs by who understands this and who does not.

It's a disease and it is spreading, fast.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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I love this. All these years I've been a privacy enthusiast lunatic, because ofc no-one has anything to hide. Now ad trackers are being potentially weaponised by the govt, and ofc no-one could have foreseen that. This is absolute gold. Will be patiently waiting for recall install's to start sending screenshots to ice of your private documents and comm's.

Someone please hint ICE that they can get a lot more data from AI companies. Asking what your rights are? Straight to jail.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

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You seem to be a bit scared of doing this all under your own name, comrade. But don't worry, we know exactly who you are.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

What makes you believe that software engineers are against the stuff happening? This new movement is defined by male loneliness and other sad traits that are quite common among people whom life passes in front of a computer. Curtis Yarvin, one of the masterminds of this new age is a software developer himself.

I would argue that whatever is happening now is part of the revenge of the nerds once the nerds remain unsatisfied despite the material possessions they acquired as software ate the world.

People deeply disconnected from the real world, seeing numbers and thinking with numbers without understanding the underlying realities of those numbers is a trait of any low touch system that developers and other IT professionals operate within.

Just yesterday apparently when asked Trump said "it's just two people" that were executed by ICE and steered the conversation when he was pushed to elaborate.

Probably from tech perspective ICE is incredibly well working, in tech world you can take away the livelihood of thousands of people by a single line of a code that changes an algorithm that bans someone or re-sorts the search results. Someone loses their Youtube account they built for years due to algorithm misfiring, someone loses their developer account on an App Store and can't even get a reason for it.

The tech world is very used to operate in a fascist high efficiency environment that enshittifies everything that touches but keeps improving on some selected KPI. Maybe they wish it doesn't happen but they are not going to sacrifice higher numbers for the lives of a few people. Welcome to the highly efficient(according to selected KPI) new world order.

I know you don't like to hear that as this is a place for IT people but the governance of online platforms is quite fascist across the board. People are banned, shadow banned or rate limited when don't behave or don't say the right stuff. Preserving order and increasing engagement is above everything, even those who claim that they came to make "speech free again" quickly turned into just changing what speech to be allowed.

Anything controversial that is attracting negativity is hidden away unless it is feeding the narrative of the platform, then it is actively promoted.

Therefore, I don't think that IT workers have any remorse or any problem with this new reality. Its the reality they built and most are loving it.

The medium is the message but the medium was built bit by bit by IT professionals in a span of 20 years.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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I'm a brown immigrant, the process to get into the US legally was long. I trust US institutions to have good intent, but like all institutions they fail at times. The mandate is to remove 25 million illegal migrants. I reject the hostile posture that people are taking based on negatively biased information, which in my view, further reassures me they are acting in Americans' best interest. I care because my children…

If you want job opportunities to open up to your children, perhaps you should invest in parenting that teaches them good values (like hard work and good attitude), education and sense of agency in place of hoping some government agency will kidnap and deport enough immigrants (many of which are legal, like you btw) for market to offer enough demand for them. The above point about „quality” of jobs „taken” by the immi…

You believe jobs are being taken and handed to deserving illegal immigrants because they have a better work ethic. I believe they are because investors are seeking ever greater returns no matter the cost to other others or even the long term sustainability of those very returns. This is the basis of our different positions.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Some people have absolutist takes on these sorts of things. If the stated purpose makes sense ("stop illegal immigration"), they will dismiss tragedies as routine accidents of an imperfect world. If they have no sense of when exceptions become intolerable and course-correction becomes necessary, then by definition, no amount of evidence will change their mind.

What if we believe that those shootings are completely unacceptable (probably criminal), but that “have no immigration enforcement and permanently halt deportations” is also unacceptable? The latter seems to be the solution being pushed by one party. Like always, the left’s problem is that their proposed solutions read like they were written by teenagers, based on emotions and dismissive of the reasons why their supp…

Years ago, I would have agreed with most of what you wrote. The left, like the right, reacts with emotion and absolutism. No one is above this, so I think it is very important that we frequently assess what would actually change our minds.

Given the present tide of things, however, I think there's no amount of course-correction back toward the left that would prove excessive. My opinion on this will change as soon as the tide does, and e.g. a leftist president endorses indiscriminate murder of ICE agents, or something equally egregious to what we're seeing in the opposite direction.

In a more ideological sense, though, I tend to despise the left/right continuum and think it is unhelpful for analysis.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Here's a complete refutation of your argument: Pretti did not attempt to "de-arrest" anyone at any point. Nobody, not even ICE, DHS, the White House, or the FBI has argued this.

Whoever told you this made it up. You should stop listening to whoever told you that. They are lying to you about this, and everything else they have told you is a lie too.

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