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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by andix »

kenjackson wrote: post #103
pelagicAustral wrote: post #2

Refreshing. No more Teams? Sounds like a dream... Of all the crapware I am forced to work with, Teams really pushes the envelope in every single negative way conceivable. I think I have more love for SharePoint than Teams, and that is a massive concession.

I have to admit, I have almost no problems with Teams. The one big issue I had was performance when screen sharing. But I got a new laptop and this problem went away. Seems so odd that so many people have major problems with it, while I feel like within my workgroup there are almost no problems to speak of.

This was discussed before: if your Windows computer doesn't have a valid HEVC license installed, then Teams falls back to software encoding and performs horrible. Most manufacturers include the license, but not all. It's also only 99 cents on the Microsoft store (which might be unavailable on enterprise managed devices)

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by Lio »

macspoofing wrote: post #31
pelagicAustral wrote: post #2

Refreshing. No more Teams? Sounds like a dream... Of all the crapware I am forced to work with, Teams really pushes the envelope in every single negative way conceivable. I think I have more love for SharePoint than Teams, and that is a massive concession.

It's not that bad. It's well integrated into Sharepoint, Exchange, and Office, and does the job. I've used both Slack and Teams and if you're using MS365, then Teams is absolutely the better option.

Teams not being able to do threaded conversations consistently or reliably is a massive pain for me. I hate it. Corporate IT is just hell for users.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by TulliusCicero »

anon291 wrote: post #122
quadrifoliate wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shame that so many EU citizens do not see the ramifications of theirs . EU citizens have elected ineffective leaders for decades -- leaders that ignored the potential to set up homegrown cloud providers, software suites or tech companies. They have elected leaders who were until very recently heavily dependent on Russian energy. As a result, EU dependence on US tech is near-total. I remember hearing a few months ago…

Europe's main strategy these days seems to be blaming others instead of looking at themselves. For example, they blame America for their own issue of lacking tech companies, despite Europe taking credit for having fewer work hours, more 'equitable' societies, etc. They blame China for their own issue of lacking domestic manufacturing, despite their pride at having strong unions, supposedly good labor protections, and…

There's plenty of chatter these days that Europe needs to be more independent from other powers, needs to be more competitive and so on.

What's not clear is if Europeans are actually willing to federalize/centralize power enough to make that happen. E.g. in foreign policy, a Europe with twenty different strategies and twenty different militaries will never be able to swing its weight around the same as the US*, even if the collective level of power is the same on paper. But Europeans are still focused so much on "my country wants to do X" that it seems like they'd rather be separate than strong.

* A strong military is almost always an important component of foreign policy, even when it's not actually used to do anything...because of the implication.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by alamortsubite »

adventured wrote: post #82
spicyusername wrote: post #3

Such a shame that so many U.S. citizens do not see the ramifications of their political decisions. Each one of these actions is a stepping stone the world is taking as a direct consequence of U.S. political negligence. And however difficult it was to render this consequence, it will be tenfold, or hundredfold, as difficult to reverse course.

The French have created Mintel. May the world tremble. It's a shame the Americans don't see the ramifications of their political decisions.

It's fun to think about what Minitel might have become if it had been born when today's Leopards Eating People's Faces Party had been in power, rather than the early 80's when Silicon Valley was dunking on everybody. It was way ahead of its time.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by andix »

dgxyz wrote: post #88
pelagicAustral wrote: post #2

Refreshing. No more Teams? Sounds like a dream... Of all the crapware I am forced to work with, Teams really pushes the envelope in every single negative way conceivable. I think I have more love for SharePoint than Teams, and that is a massive concession.

They just shot Slack and moved to Teams only here. The company is falling apart so quickly they are going to have to pay up again before the end of the month.

Because slack startet to extort their customers. I guess many moved away, to be prepared if slack decides to push their prices even further.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by radicaldreamer »

firefoxd wrote: post #34

After an acquisition, we are transitioning from google meet and slack, to Teams. I used to hate slack so much with their random features popping left and right and menus moving around. Oh I didn't know how good we had it. Slack is a delight compared to Teams. And I'm not even alone in this, everyone is still using slack until it gets pried off our hands. So help me God anyone mentions Copilot one more time...

Due to the way Microsoft does sales to enterprises, there’s no incentive for its software to be any good or even compete directly with anyone else… as long as it ticks the right boxes, the people making purchasing decisions are fine with it (it’s bundled in with something critical like Excel anyway).

If the gov really took an expansive view of antitrust, it would break up software bundling and require ala carte pricing per app, defined as a single primary use case.

This will become all the more important as OpenAI/Anthropic start bundling all of their products together and putting existing SaaS out of business for no reason other than to get some crucial model or capability, companies have to buy the whole bundle.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #53
macspoofing wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that bad. It's well integrated into Sharepoint, Exchange, and Office, and does the job. I've used both Slack and Teams and if you're using MS365, then Teams is absolutely the better option.

As someone who has gone from 100% Slack in startups to all-in Teams in big corpo, I disagree. Teams won't even display all office file formats without you having to open the dedicated app. And if it does it's usually a half-baked browser mess. And don't even get me started on the UX or meeting options or mobile support or the complete lack of a dedicated Linux client. I don't need one app to do everything half-assed,…

If you don’t want a half assed simulacra version, shouldn’t you prefer Teams open the native application?

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by ReptileMan »

tyre wrote: post #23

As an American, this is awesome to see. We should pay penalties for our abandonment of good faith global engagement. And economic damage really is the key to the heart of these United States of Three Corporations in a Trench Coat. We’ve seen companies and CEOs paying millions in bribes to be close to the president. Now this aligns their financial interests with shifting our foreign policy. Not how it ought to work, b…

>We should pay penalties for our abandonment of good faith global engagement.

How can you abandon something that never existed. While US was among the better superpowers it never for a moment engaged in good faith. Trump just makes it naked and brutish.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by TulliusCicero »

soperj wrote: post #150
TulliusCicero wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk is of course that the new thing might be worse than Teams somehow.

The only possibility is if you get it from Oracle instead.

Well no, there's always the European Oracle: SAP.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by yardie »

nonethewiser wrote: post #115
larsnystrom wrote: post #38

There seems to be a huge business opportunity in Europe right now, to sell support and customization of open source software to government players. Has anyone heard about a European company that’s been successful in this area?

Just goes to show how many structural problems there are to starting tech companies in Europe.

Yes, the problem is capital. US has loads of it and Europe does not. So a lot of European startups have 3 options: remain niche, get bought out buy US investors, move the corporate seat/brain trust to the US.

There are many small European startups who do not have infrastructure to take on large European multinationals as clients. A lot of EU labor laws have hard requirements at 50 and 100 employees so startups stay below those lines and remain tech lifestyle companies.

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