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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by Retric »

kube-system wrote: post #147
Retric wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Air guns existed sure. There’s a reason those aren’t used by the military today, they just aren’t that dangerous.

They're deadly and rapid fire. But again, in historical context, the point of the 2A was to permit people to own the most deadly weapons of war that existed at that time.

> They’re deadly and rapid fire

So are a pile of stones, it’s the degree of risk to the public that matters not some arbitrary classification.

Ignoring differences is degree here isn’t enough to win the argument.

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Post by bitwize »

AustinDev wrote: post #31
amelius wrote: post #20

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Maybe they should look more at how other countries quite successfully banned fire arms. Hint: it wasn't by banning printers.

They could attempt it, but the Second Amendment is quite clear that a constitutional amendment would be necessary to ban firearms and ammunition.

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Post by Retric »

kube-system wrote: post #150
Retric wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grenades a clear requirement for a modern infantry are also banned, thus eliminating any argument that a modern standards of military efficiency apply. Banding heavy machine guns yet another invention after the constitution was written didn’t, so there’s clear present this wouldn’t either.

Except "it was made after the constitution was written" is a standard you've made up -- there is existing case law from SCOTUS that 2A protects guns "in common use"

Actually things that are new after the constitution was written is regularly brought up before the court it’s a very common argument. The thing was written a long time ago, everyone involved in the process acknowledges that fact. The degree to which papers applies to electronic data should be familiar to you.

Supreme court rulings are arbitrary as they regularly reverse or update standards, sometimes multiple times.

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Post by maxlybbert »

krunck wrote: post #92

For hundreds of years people have been making guns without 3D printers and CNC mills. All that is needed is some metal machining skills, a lathe, and some other tools.

I have a copy of https://archive.org/details/gerard-metral-gun/ on my bookshelf (by a European, too!).

Re: New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by kube-system »

Retric wrote: post #151
kube-system wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're deadly and rapid fire. But again, in historical context, the point of the 2A was to permit people to own the most deadly weapons of war that existed at that time.

> They’re deadly and rapid fire So are a pile of stones, it’s the degree of risk to the public that matters not some arbitrary classification. Ignoring differences is degree here isn’t enough to win the argument.

That is an argument that people make today.

Where was that part of the decision making process in 1789?

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Post by andy_ppp »

bluescrn wrote: post #53
andy_ppp wrote: post #28

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Yeah they should also ban metal working in New York... The stupidest thing is you can go to another state and buy a gun in Walmart, why even bother to build a plastic gun in the US?

To get it through security somewhere with metal detectors. That's probably the only reason to specifically fear a 3D-printed gun in a nation full of proper guns. Of course, 3D printed plastic ammo isn't likely to be very effective. (Maybe they're worried that before long, 3D printing with metal will almost as easy and affordable as plastic 3D printing is now, and people will be printing off entire arsenals of very ef…

So what are you going to do behind the metal detectors with your plastic gun and no bullets? If you want to do huge amounts of harm (and kill yourself in the process) in the US it’s pretty clear you can do that without the need of a slow plastic gun that may just explode.

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Post by Retric »

kube-system wrote: post #155
Retric wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They’re deadly and rapid fire So are a pile of stones, it’s the degree of risk to the public that matters not some arbitrary classification. Ignoring differences is degree here isn’t enough to win the argument.

That is an argument that people make today . Where was that part of the decision making process in 1789?

Firearms (ops Arms) was used rather than weapons suggesting some level of consideration here. They had cannons and warships back then. That bit about a well regulated militia suggests limits on what exactly was permissible.

But obviously we don’t have direct knowledge of every conversation.

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Post by [deleted] »

hoarseAAPL wrote: post #86
AustinDev wrote: post #31

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They could attempt it, but the Second Amendment is quite clear that a constitutional amendment would be necessary to ban firearms and ammunition.

SCOTUS has ruled before that 2A does not afford freedom to own any kind of weapon. There are limits on explosives for example. They tend to lean on whether it is reasonable that the Founders might have had access to such a weapon with their technology. Machine gun is just a rifle with automatic rechamber. Not an unreasonable upgrade for 1700s technology. Maybe, I dunno; political people don't have to actually care ab…

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Re: New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by kube-system »

Retric wrote: post #153
kube-system wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except "it was made after the constitution was written" is a standard you've made up -- there is existing case law from SCOTUS that 2A protects guns "in common use"

Actually things that are new after the constitution was written is regularly brought up before the court it’s a very common argument. The thing was written a long time ago, everyone involved in the process acknowledges that fact. The degree to which papers applies to electronic data should be familiar to you. Supreme court rulings are arbitrary as they regularly reverse or update standards, sometimes multiple times.

Yes, if your argument is found to be right in the future, then it will be right. Currently it is not, and it is unlikely to be any different until the composition of the court changes. Until then, the only other path to change it is an amendment.

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Post by rangestransform »

tastyfreeze wrote: post #75
dylan604 wrote: post #47

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Is this a real question? Legally buying guns in the US come with registration of serial numbers, names, and addresses. Printing a gun does not. Printing a gun also does not need to wait for a multi-day delay from a background check. Depending on the printer, it could just take multiple days to print. Asking why someone would want to do this is just not trying very hard in the conversation is actually pretty myopic.

> Legally buying guns in the US come with registration of serial numbers, names, and addresses. It is illegal for the government to make a registry of gun owners. There is an electronic check to clear you as a legal gun owner but there is no registry.

It’s only theoretically non searchable, IIRC each submitted document has to be OCRed every time a search is ran on the documents, and this is enough of a legal fig leaf to qualify it as not a registry. A sizeable GPU farm would make this basically a moot point.
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