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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

rkomorn wrote: post #143
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

de Gaulle would be considered insanely far right today. Many aspects of Bush (assuming GW here) would be considered not in line with America's far-right today. Assume good intent. It helps you see the actually interesting point being made.

They wrote "Bush was right wing" (unless it was edited), so what's your point in saying "Many aspects of Bush (assuming GW here) would be considered not in line with America's far-right today." ?

Nope no stealth edit, my bad.

My point still stands, "politics change and assessments of politicians change accordingly".

Bill Clinton's crime bill would be considered far right today.

Ronald Regean's amnesty bill would be considered far left today.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by verdverm »

flohofwoe wrote: post #150
miltonlost wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how he'll try to get out of being summoned. Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates?

> Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates? Given his recent "far right" bromance that's probably not a good idea ;)

It hadn't occurred to me that might be the reason they picked 420

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by fourseventy »

tw04 wrote: post #130
lingrush4 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every AI system is capable of generating CSAM and deep fakes if requested by a savvy user. The only thing this proves is that you can't upset the French government or they'll go on a fishing expedition through your office praying to find evidence of a crime.

>Every AI system is capable of generating CSAM and deep fakes if requested by a savvy user. The only thing this proves is that you can't upset the French government or they'll go on a fishing expedition through your office praying to find evidence of a crime. If every AI system can do this, and every AI system in incapable of preventing it, then I guess every AI system should be banned until they can figure it out. E…

You can use photoshop to create CSAM too, should that be banned?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by throwaway132448 »

kouteiheika wrote: post #129
etchalon wrote: post #111

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This is really amusing to watch, because everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (if you know what you're doing). There's nothing special about Grok in this regard. It wasn't trained to be a MechaHitler, nor to generate CSAM. It's just relatively uncensored[1] compared to the competition, which means it can be easily manipulated to do what t…

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by bsimpson »

stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

I had the same thought - not just about raids, but about raiding a satellite office. This sounds like theater begging for headlines like this one.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by lowkey_ »

SilverElfin wrote: post #93

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> The child abuse feels like a smaller problem compared to that risk.

I think we can and should all agree that child sexual abuse is a much larger and more serious problem than political leanings.

It's ironic as you're commenting about a social media platform, but I think it's frightening what social media has done to us with misinformation, vilification, and echo chambers, to think political leanings are worse than murder, rape, or child sexual abuse.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by paxys »

stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Whether you are a tech company or not, there's a lot of data on computers that are physically in the office.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by kouteiheika »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #137
kouteiheika wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really amusing to watch, because everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (if you know what you're doing). There's nothing special about Grok in this regard. It wasn't trained to be a MechaHitler, nor to generate CSAM. It's just relatively uncensored[1] compared to the competition, which means it can be easily manipulated to do what t…

> everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (if you know what you're doing) Well, yes. You can make child pornography with any video-editing software. How is this exoneration?

I'm not talking about video editing software; that's a different class of software. I'm talking about other generative AI models, which you can download today onto your computer, and have it do the same thing as Grok does.

> How is this exoneration?

I don't know; you tell me where I said it was? I'm just stating a fact that Grok isn't unique here, and if you want to ban Grok because of it then you need to also ban open weight models which can do exactly the same thing.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by miltonlost »

flohofwoe wrote: post #150
miltonlost wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how he'll try to get out of being summoned. Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates?

> Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates? Given his recent "far right" bromance that's probably not a good idea ;)

Oh, that was 100% in my mind when I wrote that. I was wondering how explicit to be with Musk's celebrating being for someone's birthday.
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