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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by mindslight »

nerdsniper wrote: post #146
mindslight wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but how do the laws get enforced when law enforcement itself has gone rogue? State governors can't deploy their branches of the National Guard to restore Constitutional law and order without risking that the corrupt federal executive will end up taking control of those as well.

Congress is supposed to remove ineffective executives from power, or change the laws/constitution to make the enforcement legal. Some would say they're abdicating those responsibilities.

Oh sure, I'd be one of those people. I was talking about an alternative approach under our system of dual sovereignty. The federal government is currently in gross violation of our Constitution that spells out the relations between the co-sovereigns. Both in terms of good-faith executing the offices laid out in the Constitution document itself, and overtly violating our natural rights including ones described in the Bill of Rights.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by temp8830 »

snowwrestler wrote: post #19
temp8830 wrote: post #12

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But by the same token - the obstruction of federal agents who are carrying out their lawful mandate was also in that same place. True, the implementation was messed up. Those unlawful deportation cases should have been the ones to protest. Not demonizing all of ICE or flying Mexican flags.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with flying Mexican flags. Americans fly flags of other countries all the time. There are English flags all over a nearby pub in my area. Heck, there is an entire national holiday for celebrating the Irish—a holiday for which the Defense Department made an exception to its policy of avoiding cultural observances. The overreach by the current administration is what is driving the volu…

Sure, there's nothing wrong with flying a Mexican flag - if you are trying to create a lighting rod to attract all the anti-immigrant vitriol. It's the same kind of dumb as "defund the police" - actively harmful.

And I strongly suspect that if I flew a Russian flag in the very liberal and tolerant Bay Area my house might just accidentally catch fire. Despite my right to do so.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by Ms-J »

People really need to get things together and investigate these crimes committed against the people.

In no world did we ever allow the government to track our movements or what we think. People are free and are not bound to laws that the gov will simply trample over when they feel like it.

Use encryption, don't tell plans, and keep fighting. We have got this.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by kreetx »

cthalupa wrote: post #142
kreetx wrote: post #84

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Right. The original poster who was saying that only ("only"!) 29% of January deportees have been convicted, that is correct. To this I added that that percentage doesn't account for ongoing charges (also true, right?). No disagreement in the percentage arguments. The rest of the immigrants are still illegally in the country, no? Wasn't deporting them on the campaign platform that got the mandate? What is "the system"…

What mandate? Trump did not secure a large enough victory for anyone to reasonably claim he was handed a mandate. Did the Republicans ever respect Biden's "mandate" on his issues, with a similar EV victory and a huge popular vote victory? Hell, Trump didn't even get half the popular vote. Nor do single issues get mandates even when a president does have an overwhelming victory. Voters do not select specific issues to…

I'd call it the presidential victory mandate. I guess he shouldn't actually do what he promised as the victory wasn't large enough? "Damned if you do, damned if you don't."

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by kreetx »

mindslight wrote: post #149
kreetx wrote: post #137

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Because the alledged pretext assumes being able to predict the future.

Are you claiming it is impossible for an ICE agent to think "I'm just going to shoot the next person who tries to drive away" or what?

Planning ahead to put your own health at risk?

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Post by esalman »

culi wrote: post #144
46493168 wrote: post #111

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Post by fyredge »

Herring wrote: post #148
palmotea wrote: post #112

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> The problem with these threads is everybody wants to complain about Trump, but nobody wants to talk about policies that actually help buffer against the far-right. Eg implementing robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. How many of you software engineers want to sign up for European-style welfare states and pay for them with high taxes? It's basically tragedy of the commons...…

A lot of western societies are aging. If you don’t import immigrants, you’re on a timer. The economy slows, quality of life drops, and people elect the far right anyway. It’s happening to Japan right now. I’d set up the safety nets and hope enough people will appreciate the better cost of living and reelect sane politicians. Of course there are no guarantees. People hated Obamacare and punished democrats so hard they…

If the quality of life was unsustainable without immigration, what makes it sustainable with?

Current immigrants come from countries with high population growth. When their population growth slows down, will they get their immigrants too?

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