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Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by malshe »

MBCook wrote: post #36
malshe wrote: post #11

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I think in a weird way SpaceX listing publicly would trigger Tesla’s downfall as Elon fans will switch to that stock. Then SoaceX will buy out Tesla.

That’s a good point. Can Tesla fail? Seems like he’s constantly using one company to fund others, shuffling the cups and balls around claiming everything is still fine. I could see him doing serious damage or even trashing an otherwise healthy company doing this to prop up total failures.

> Can Tesla fail?

If SpaceX buys it, it will fail upward :)

He did that with SolarCity when Tesla bought it then repeated with X when XAi bought it.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by AlexandrB »

sigio wrote: post #132
jjice wrote: post #20

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I have a newer Corolla that's pretty much the absolute floor of the base model (LE with I believe minimal packages) and it has all the technology one would expect now, all while having physical buttons where it matters. Lane assist and adaptive cruise control are table stakes now.

I think in (most of) europe, most of the safety-related features are mandatory on all new cars these days, so all these features must come on all trim levels. This does make the base model a lot more expensive then a few years back, but you get all the nice features, so that also makes them cheaper in general.

Honestly, I don't like this trend. Some of these features - like lane keeping - encourage/enable distracted driving. Meanwhile the necessary sensors make cars so expensive to repair that they're becoming a disposable good. As my driving instructor says: If you need a lane keeping system to keep your car in a lane, you shouldn't be behind the wheel.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by yurishimo »

sigio wrote: post #132
jjice wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a newer Corolla that's pretty much the absolute floor of the base model (LE with I believe minimal packages) and it has all the technology one would expect now, all while having physical buttons where it matters. Lane assist and adaptive cruise control are table stakes now.

I think in (most of) europe, most of the safety-related features are mandatory on all new cars these days, so all these features must come on all trim levels. This does make the base model a lot more expensive then a few years back, but you get all the nice features, so that also makes them cheaper in general.

Plus people who buy cars are eating all the depreciation. I’ll glad buy your 2024 Corolla in 2032.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by vostrocity »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #54
jjice wrote: post #20

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I have a newer Corolla that's pretty much the absolute floor of the base model (LE with I believe minimal packages) and it has all the technology one would expect now, all while having physical buttons where it matters. Lane assist and adaptive cruise control are table stakes now.

Indeed, I have a 2023 Corolla. The dealer didn't like it when I said "LE" stands for "Low End" as a joke (it means Limited Edition). The technology for such a low end car is impressive. In addition to adaptive cruise control and lane keeping, the display shows the speed limit not by consulting a map but by reading the signs as you drive down the street. They call it RSA, Road Sign Assist. It also uses the camera and…

I always thought Toyota's LE connoted Luxury Edition and SE Sport Edition

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by TylerE »

duskwuff wrote: post #137
TylerE wrote: post #91

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Except the remote house keeper can be in some super locl 3rd world country where the prevailing wage is a few bucks a day.

That's a pretty profoundly dystopian concept. If the only way this technology is viable is as a way to exploit labor at a distance - count me out.

We're living in a dystopia.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by rf15 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #154
sigio wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in (most of) europe, most of the safety-related features are mandatory on all new cars these days, so all these features must come on all trim levels. This does make the base model a lot more expensive then a few years back, but you get all the nice features, so that also makes them cheaper in general.

Honestly, I don't like this trend. Some of these features - like lane keeping - encourage/enable distracted driving. Meanwhile the necessary sensors make cars so expensive to repair that they're becoming a disposable good. As my driving instructor says: If you need a lane keeping system to keep your car in a lane, you shouldn't be behind the wheel.

Lane keeping is also tremendously dangerous, if the system gets confused on e.g. construction sites. I hated how much I had to fight the car not to swerve into the huge barriers running along the middle of the original road layout.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by lallysingh »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #123
lallysingh wrote: post #118

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The EV1 gave GM no advantage.

It wasn't the first modern EV?

GM didn't sell EVs for years after releasing the EV1. They didn't get any market advantage from the EV1 because they left the market after, for a long time.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by kypro »

I don't strongly disagree, but also don't really see why they would keep manufacturing X and S if the design is old and the car needs a refresh to be competitive? I guess the argument is that it would have been worthwhile refreshing it?

I mean that may be the case, but I get the sense that Tesla's primary goal at the moment is creating cheap robotaxi ready vehicles, and S and X don't really fit well with that. Partly because of cost, but also because I suspect it's harder to build FSD for multiple different vehicles so both models are just a distraction right now.

I'm not saying this article is wrong, but it seems like it may make sense that they focus on Y, 3, robotaxis and future projects like optimus.

I don't have strong opinions either way on Musk, but his ability to see future tech trends before others has historically been quite impressive. Personally I think the idea that Tesla would be better off behaving like every other car company betting on small iterative improvements to the current line up is really quite silly. It's going to be extremely difficult to compete with China without protectionist policies. Tesla probably should be looking to the next thing if they want to survive.

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