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Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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The Mozilla of 2002 is vastly different than the Mozilla of recent.

Yeah, so is the internet. So what?

The old Mozilla was born from the ashes of Netscape and was an open source powerhouse.

The new Mozilla does pathetic cash grabs and tries and fails to operate as a business.

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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Growing and investing in Firefox remains our biggest priority. Mozilla Corporation’s leading aim is to grow as a meaningful, differentiated browser, trusted by over 200mil people. In 2025 the team made great progress shipping tab groups, vertical tabs, smart tabs, many sidebar integrations with AI companies and more. Mozilla Corp welcomed Anthony Enzor-DeMeo, the first technologist to serve as CEO in over 15 years. I…

> In 2026 there will be a focus on building tools and features for those who want AI, and for those who do not. We are the only browser who does this - and likely the only one that will.[1] I don't want any AI features to exist in the Firefox source code, since this increases Firefox's attack surface for no real gain to the product I want to use. The AI-enabled browser should be a separate product line for people who…

Vivaldi might interest you as an alternative browser.

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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Which companies do you expect to be taken out? Google and Microsoft will obviously remain. I have a hard time envisioning that OpenAI or Anthropic will go under - especially Anthropic, who are reportedly raking in billions from Claude subscriptions. Just from my armchair predictions, it's not really any of the juggernauts who have to worry, but rather the many companies springing up to try SaaS offerings with LLMs at…

OpenAI and Anthropic are bleeding money and both need hundreds of billions of dollars in the next couple of years to break even. Oracle is highly overleveraged and I am hoping that the bubble takes them out. You can find the gory details at Ed Zitron's blog. https://www.wheresyoured.at/premium-how-the-ai-bubble-bursts...

Anthropic at least has Amazon’s backing. OpenAI is where the industry is stuffing all of its bad debt and transparently bad deals. It’s the sacrificial company this time around.

I would dance on Oracle’s grave, but they have too much staying power because of their core database and ERP business.

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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> Mozilla is focused on deploying its roughly $1.4 billion worth of reserves to support “mission driven” organizations, according to a new report. > The nonprofit, also the parent of Firefox, is investing in artificial intelligence startups that are working on safety and governance issues in AI. Why?, they want to go bankrupt?, do they like burning money? I would understand investing in AI Tech... Brilliant if they u…

They want NGO grant money. They look at the latest and greatest buzzwords for government policy spending and tailor their efforts towards acquiring that money, 99% of which will go to salaries and bonuses, 1% of which will be spent on the mission du jour. Mozilla is a deeply corrupt and failed organization.

They're already an NGO who gives out grant money. When you say 99% will go to salaries and bonuses, you know all the financials are right there on the page right?

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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This thread is so naive about AI, like it's just ChatGPT and videos. I'm a developer and I'm not fluent in AI right now I'm screwed - it's table stakes. The idea that a tech company should just ignore it is just putting our fingers in our ears. I've been trying MozAi's "Any agent" stuff which isn't quite there but its better than what I found out there a year ago.

I read the "ledger" part of the state of mozilla and 80% of their $ still goes into Firefox and Thunderbird.

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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It's a bit odd requirement, but.. OK. I mean who is the malicious actor here, the AI, the human user or the AI provider? If the AI, then we shouldn't give it an agency (user should always vet the output). If it's the user, the AI is irrelevant to the question. And if it's AI provider, why would they train AI on such materials in the first place. The whole enterprise of this kind of safety doesn't make much sense to m…

> It's a bit odd requirement It is a realistic requirement for dealing with user generated content at scale, because this is a realistic requirement thing some people will do. We’ve seen this fold out over the past month from Grok.

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Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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We currently can't do "AI safety" even in bleeding edge alignment research so investing into some startups in that area is just burning money. Current LLMs/ViTs have non-zero probability of producing something unsafe and it's their inherent trait.

Just so I understand your comment, are you trying to say that the money on safety should go first into research? And not into a later startup, which is just putting lipstick on the pig? I agree to this understanding, no doubt about it.

Basically yes. First figure out how to do reliable models that can be well-aligned with safety expectations, then invest into a startup that brings that tech to the industry.

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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The concern, I think, is that their spare cash is dwindling and thus financial prudence might be beneficial - especially for those who rely on the core Mozilla propositions like Firefox.

> is that their spare cash is dwindling They're an NGO, you can just... look this up, it's public.

Sure and my time is limited.

The last I heard was that the Google rev-share agreement was on the skids and they stopped developing projects like Thunderbird and Fake Spotter because they were capital constrained.

If you know otherwise then you're better informed than I am I guess

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