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ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by kelipso »

ipaddr wrote: post #130
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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A concentration camp is a place where large amounts of Jews were killed. Using it to describe deportation where people aren't killed is offensive to some and full of fake drama to others.

“A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or ethnic minority groups, on the grounds of national security, or for exploitation or punishment.”

Do we know what is happening to these people? What their conditions are? Why do we not hear from them afterwards?

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by sbarre »

ardme wrote: post #114
gorgoiler wrote: post #79

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I heard a law professor on NPR a few nights back saying how, at the executive level, the rule of law is dead and has been for some time. They cited Jan 6 but recognised how politically divisive that example was, so also gave the failure to enforce the TikTok ban as a less partisan example. If you take your hands off the wheel you can go a surprisingly long time before you crash. This hands-free period will have to co…

I remember a lot of stuff Bush did in the aftermath of 911 that was illegal. Anyone remember Snowden? And Obama did a drone strike on a US citizen. This has been going on a long time but maybe we used to play pretend better.

> This has been going on a long time

This has been going on forever, everywhere.

Laws have always applied selectively, particularly when it comes to whatever group is responsible for enforcing them.

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by [deleted] »

mc32 wrote: post #91
windexh8er wrote: post #35

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The private sector is only "more competent" at a certain size. Google, Microsoft, Meta - they're all largely inefficient and only effective as it pertains to the dollars they spend in lobbying. All of these companies are largely wasteful with respect to the money they spend on executives and initiatives that go against their own customers. They mirror the USG more and more year over year.

One big difference is that public companies restructure when things aren’t looking rosy. Government organizations don’t often reorganize and structurally they don’t have much flexibility.

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Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

self_awareness wrote: post #141
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #129

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> if ICE deports illegal immigrants, and you're anti-ICE, then you do want immigrants? No. I’m anti-murder. This logic is like saying someone who objects to the Nazis is racist against Germans.

So you want to deport, but someone else than ICE should do it? Also, to be fair, nazis were Germans. Not aliens from outer space. Those were german people who identified with NSDAP party. Edit: I understand (well, kind of...) why people downvote me, but I'm really lost when trying to understand why they downvote you. I don't think I'll ever understand what's going on.

> you want to deport, but someone else than ICE should do it?

I want it to be done without murder. Murder is bad.

I don’t care if it’s done by ICE or the Pink Pony Friendly Airlift Service. They should do it per the law. They should not have to blow hundreds of thousands of dollars per deportation. And they should do it without murder, with murderers in their ranks being charged per the law.

> to be fair, nazis were Germans

…yes. That doesn’t make being anti-Nazi racist against Germans.

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by intrasight »

ipaddr wrote: post #130
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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A concentration camp is a place where large amounts of Jews were killed. Using it to describe deportation where people aren't killed is offensive to some and full of fake drama to others.

People can be concentrated without being killed.

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Post by HlessClaudesman »

danesparza wrote: post #83
petterroea wrote: post #6

Private surveillance is so much more scary than regular government surveillance because they have every incentive to invent new ways of surveilling you that they then try to sell to governments, or private actors who want to influence the world. It's like classic government surveillance but every company you interacted with and every app you use may at some point turn on you and use your data against you, just becaus…

And then governments use this data, but can wash their hands of it saying "we didn't collect it"

"Allow us to use your data to improve our service." ...by selling your data to improve our service's profitability.

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

api wrote: post #138
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #124

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> I'm referring to mobile phones, software that constantly spies on you, location tracking, and mass data fusion without any regard for legal limitations or privacy None of that is relevant to the article. It’s about HHS data being queried to give ICE probable addresses. What you’re doing is indistinguishable from whataboutism. I don’t think that’s your intent. But we have an actual abuse of public data at hand here.…

I don't think the two topics are separable. This is a specific case of the general trend.

> don't think the two topics are separable. This is a specific case of the general trend

They are and should be separable. DHS hoovering up government data is orthogonal to private data collection. They could become related. But they aren’t, and muddling a hypothetical problem with a clear, present and actual one is a good way to normalize the latter.

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Post by [deleted] »

ardme wrote: post #150
reenorap wrote: post #86

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I thought undocumented migrants weren’t allowed to use Medicare or Medicaid. How is that data useful to track them down, then?

Great question. I thought that only citizens could access public healthcare benefits.

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