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Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by badsectoracula »

pjmlp wrote: post #40
palata wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As long as they depend on Proton, they haven't fully solved their problem. Maybe not, but they fully solved my problem with games, which was that I could not play on Linux. I started playing again just because of the SteamDeck, I think it's a pretty big achievement :-).

Hardly any different than running MAME.

MAME is an emulator running games in fully emulated machines, Proton/Wine is a compatibility layer that runs games natively by the interfaces they expect.

The closest situation would be with comparing Wine running via CPU translation under ARM or RISC-V with how RPCS3 recompiles PowerPC games to native x86 code, but even then the comparison wouldn't be accurate as RPCS3 still does full system emulation whereas Proton/Wine integrates with the underlying OS.

Proton/Wine is closer to Java/JVM than MAME (or any other emulator) and that is when running on a different CPU than x86/x86_64 as on the latter it is just a PE loader with a bunch of DLLs reimplementing various APIs.

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by neals »

46493168 wrote: post #149
SirMaster wrote: post #147

So would it make sense to sell a folding plastic shell with screen, keyboard and trackpad in it that you can bring in your bag and pull out to plug your phone into it?

This form factor was tried before and it didn’t stick. Why should it be brought back now?

I think the point is that software wasn't ready and now it might be.

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by SirMaster »

46493168 wrote: post #149
SirMaster wrote: post #147

So would it make sense to sell a folding plastic shell with screen, keyboard and trackpad in it that you can bring in your bag and pull out to plug your phone into it?

This form factor was tried before and it didn’t stick. Why should it be brought back now?

I guess I fail to see where people will use this then.

Where are there going to be setups where they can plug the 3 things into their phone that aren't already a computer that you can just use as-is?

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by ghostly_s »

SirMaster wrote: post #147

So would it make sense to sell a folding plastic shell with screen, keyboard and trackpad in it that you can bring in your bag and pull out to plug your phone into it?

As mentioned in TFA, Android has had a "desktop" phone projection mode for years and it doesn't seem to have caught on. This seems to be a distro for dedicated desktop devices, I’m not sure what the point is when its main competitor would be the other OS Google already makes for those devices.

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by makeramen »

palata wrote: post #128
bluGill wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is for every person who wants to do this, there are hundreds (thousands?) who wouldn't want to - and these people are vulnerable various security exploits that would allow someone evil to take over their device. This isn't just a made up situation: There are nations that have large teams of people who's job is to figure out how to get software installed on your device of their choice/make/design, allowing…

This isn't quite true. The Google Pixels allow me to unlock the bootloader, install my own system, and relock the bootloader. As a result, I run an alternative OS called GrapheneOS which is more secure than Android. The fact that I can unlock and relock the bootloader is not a security issue or a risk. People who don't know what that means cannot possibly do it by mistake. Now allowing root access to users on Android…

> The fact that I can unlock and relock the bootloader is not a security issue or a risk. People who don't know what that means cannot possibly do it by mistake.

The second sentence is false. Lots of people blindly follow things and don't understand consequences until they brick their devices. Those who don’t break something won’t notice if they’ve silently backdoored themselves.

People asking for support after getting themselves into some weird hole they never should have been in because some friend or online article said so is super common.

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by ThePointed »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #148
gf000 wrote: post #88

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A 2-3 generation old pixel on the second hand marker is not expensive at all though. And you easily add a mouse/keyboard just fine to it.

Isn't Pixel 10 the first one with fully supported desktop mode? I remember I was very confused when buying a Pixel 7 to replace my (then 3 year old) Huawei P30 Pro, and the inferior camera + lack of desktop mode made it feel like a net downgrade.

I use it on my Pixel 8 Pro too It's a toggle in Developer options, Local Desktop.

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by joe_mamba »

kasabali wrote: post #150
joe_mamba wrote: post #136

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Few issues with that. For one, PCs still make it there via ewaste shipments that then get repaired and sold for cheap, so you can have decent variety of old stuff. And secondly, even a "3rd gen in a poor condition at best (or some shit tier Celeron N-thousand something with a soldered 4GB RAM)" as you call it, is better for learning marketable skills and making stuff, than whatever you can do on your phone, since off…

> For one, PCs still make it there via ewaste shipments that then get repaired and sold for cheap, so you can have decent variety of old stuff. No you can't. Unlike you, I'm talking from experience when I'm telling what €50 gets you in used marked in a non-developed country.

ok, as you say, I'm not gonna argue about it

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by 46493168 »

SirMaster wrote: post #153
46493168 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This form factor was tried before and it didn’t stick. Why should it be brought back now?

I guess I fail to see where people will use this then. Where are there going to be setups where they can plug the 3 things into their phone that aren't already a computer that you can just use as-is?

This is to replace ChromeOS.

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by pedalpete »

ghostly_s wrote: post #154
SirMaster wrote: post #147

So would it make sense to sell a folding plastic shell with screen, keyboard and trackpad in it that you can bring in your bag and pull out to plug your phone into it?

As mentioned in TFA, Android has had a "desktop" phone projection mode for years and it doesn't seem to have caught on. This seems to be a distro for dedicated desktop devices, I’m not sure what the point is when its main competitor would be the other OS Google already makes for those devices.

Google is transitioning from ChromeOS to desktop Android by 2028.
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