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Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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The silly part is buying a $600 Mac mini when any $100 NUC or $50 raspberry pi or any cheap mini PC off of eBay will do the job exactly the same.

The silly part is buying a $50 raspberry pi, then storage and memory and so on, when a $200 used M1 Mac mini is plug-and-play.

The silly part is buying a $200 used M1 Mac mini, when a $5 Arduino clone can be used to blink an LED.

Oh wait—that’s the silly part

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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My commentary on the 'E' is a response to that being specifically called out as the same in an earlier comment when it's specifically not the same if you actually look at it. The bit about the lawyer lying is what I quoted from the court document: that it's "likely to deceive and cause confusion, mistake, or deception among consumers or potential consumers" about whether this is endorsed or associated with Kellogg. A…

I agree you had a reason for what you said about the "E", I'm taking issue with what you said. No, speaking on someone else's behalf, as lawyers are obligate to do is not lying. They are representing their client's position. You also cannot "lie" about an opinion about what might confuse other people.

> They are representing their client's position.

I guess, but it's still distasteful, especially when it's a corporation saying it and the corporation is incentivized to exaggerate/mislead to an extreme.

> You also cannot "lie" about an opinion about what might confuse other people.

What are you talking about? Of course you can lie about your opinion. And the opinion involving other people doesn't change that.

I'll do it right now: I think basically nobody likes ice cream, they're all faking it to fit in.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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It sounds nice at a first glance, but how useful is it actually? Anyone got real, non-hypothetical use cases that outweigh the risks?

Here's an actual idea. With this, I can realistically use my apple watch as a _standalone_ device to do pretty much everything I need. This means I can switch off my iphone, keep use my apple watch as a kind of remote to my laptop. I can chat with my friends (not possible right now with whatsapp!), do some shopping, write some code, even read books! This is just not possible now using an apple watch.

> I can chat with my friends (not possible right now with whatsapp!)

btw, WhatsApp has an Apple Watch App! https://faq.whatsapp.com/864470801642897

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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If you want iMessage you still need an always-on Mac, whether that's the main moltbot gateway, or the MacOS app running in 'node mode' to allow a moltbot gateway to use it to send/receive iMessages.

> need an always-on Mac Not really, you can emulate macOS on any Linux/x86-64. But it is actually a good point to get a Mac Mini instead of a NUC. The Mac Mini is going to deliver better performance per Watt.

Can you really register iMessage on an emulated MacOS these days? I'd love to learn more, the AIs I asked say it doesn't seem possible in VMs anymore.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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The way trademarks work is that if you don't actively defend them you weaken your rights. So Anthropic needs to defend their ownership of "Claude". I'm guessing they reached out to Peter Steinberger and asked nicely that he rename Clawdbot.

Of course Anthropic has the most obnoxious legal team of all the ai companies. The project got traction under the older name. A name change does hurt the project.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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This project terrifies me. On the one hand it really is very cool, and a lot of people are reporting great results using it. It helped someone negotiate with car dealers to buy a car! https://aaronstuyvenberg.com/posts/clawd-bought-a-car But it's an absolute perfect storm for prompt injection and lethal trifecta attacks: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/16/the-lethal-trifecta/ People are hooking this thing up to Te…

Agreed. When I heard about this project I assumed it was taking off because it was all local LLM powered, able to run offline and be super secure or have a read only mode when accessing emails/calendar etc.

I'm becoming increasingly uncomfortable with how much access these companies are getting to our data so I'm really looking forward to the open source/local/private versions taking off.

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The bandwidth requirements of that site would be very expensive

Bandwidth for text is cheap. Don't use cloud. You could register cloudeception as well and have it tell you how much cloud bandwidth costs are daylight robbery.

Cloudeception.com

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It actually looks like they were pretty reasonable here, as they offered money for the company to help rebrand even though they were clearly infringing on their copyright. Of course, there are three sides to every story.

How is a 15M lawsuit ever reasonable in a case like this?

The damages listed in a lawsuit have nothing at all to do with the reasonableness of the parties involved.

By the time a lawsuit is filed you are already deep into a civil dispute, and very few civil disputes ever go to trial. Filing a lawsuit at all is the nuclear option for when all reasonableness has already broken down. You only go to court as the nuclear option after both parties reach an impasse.

15M is almost certainly just a result of mathematically adding up the damages the law provides for. That's how going to court generally works -- your lawyer will ask the court for everything the law provides for. Then the court will decide what is reasonable to actually award. Going to court is very expensive, and it is why ~99% of cases settle before going to court.

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Last year in my area, a food truck decided to call itself Leggo My Egg Roll, and obvious play on Eggo waffles tagline. Kellogg sent them a cease and desist, they decided to ignore it. Kellogg then offered to pay them to rebrand, they still wouldn’t. They then sued for $15 million.

My old local brewery had a Leggo My Ego[1] beer they also were served a cease and desist by Kellogg over... they still make it, it's just now called the Unlawful Waffle[2] which is a bit funnier if you happen to know the lore/reason. 1. https://untappd.com/b/arizona-wilderness-brewing-co-leggo-my... 2. https://untappd.com/b/arizona-wilderness-brewing-co-unlawful...

Funny story but the taste scores don’t look to great. Do you like it?
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