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Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by its_ubuntu »

habinero wrote: post #136
yunohn wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is HN so susceptible to appeals to authority and constant mild-severe deification of other humans?

I don't get it, either. There's an entire class of people on here who just run around looking for anyone to lead them. I had a guy crash out after I told him that "so and so said Thing was good" was not sufficient to say whether Thing was good or not. I told him he needed to develop enough skill to determine that for himself or he'd constantly fall for hype. My dude pasted a ChatGPT list of engineers who had ever sai…

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Re: Software Pump and Dump

#152

Post by yunohn »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #149
yunohn wrote: post #147

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I would’ve taken this response more seriously if it weren’t written with LLM assistance. Regardless, it’s a lot of words to again say “they are famous, so consider them more seriously” despite the obvious scam being perpetuated via crypto. The appeal to authority is you stating their credentials first, and none of the deductions you claim one should make from merit.

It wasn’t LLM assisted. That accusation is just a way to avoid dealing with the point. You keep restating a position no one is taking. No one said “they’re famous, therefore right.” That’s something you invented so you don’t have to argue against what was actually said. Credentials don’t make an argument true. They explain why an opinion isn’t noise. Pretending otherwise doesn’t make you principled, it just makes you…

Your position was much worse - instead you’re devaluing the original post author’s opinion because they don’t have the credentials of the person you’re comparing them to.

All your replies have severe clear AI slop smell, you’re not giving me any reason not to assume otherwise tbh. It’s more about whether you respect my replies to formulate your own answer, but given your appeal to authority, clearly you have no qualms allowing others (senior engineers, AI/LLMs) to determine them for you!

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#153

Post by yunohn »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #150
yunohn wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason is the crypto pump & dump - literally no other reasoning is required for my personal conclusion.

If “crypto = scam” is the full extent of your analysis, then you’re not being skeptical or careful. You’re just running a reflex and pretending it’s reasoning. People who actually understand things can explain how they’re wrong. People who don’t just announce they’ve already reached a conclusion and declare further thought unnecessary. If that’s your bar, then yes, no other reasoning is required, because none was app…

Dude, someone trying to a run a pump & dump scam on me is as clear of a negative “signal” as it gets. What are you on about?

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#154

Post by threethirtytwo »

yunohn wrote: post #152
threethirtytwo wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn’t LLM assisted. That accusation is just a way to avoid dealing with the point. You keep restating a position no one is taking. No one said “they’re famous, therefore right.” That’s something you invented so you don’t have to argue against what was actually said. Credentials don’t make an argument true. They explain why an opinion isn’t noise. Pretending otherwise doesn’t make you principled, it just makes you…

Your position was much worse - instead you’re devaluing the original post author’s opinion because they don’t have the credentials of the person you’re comparing them to. All your replies have severe clear AI slop smell, you’re not giving me any reason not to assume otherwise tbh. It’s more about whether you respect my replies to formulate your own answer, but given your appeal to authority, clearly you have no qualm…

You’re doing that thing where you confuse confidence with thinking.

You haven’t engaged with the argument once. You’ve complained about credentials, then tone, then AI, then “respect.” That’s four pivots and zero substance.

I didn’t say “trust this person instead of thinking.” I said experience adds context. You keep pretending those are the same thing because otherwise you’d have to actually respond.

The AI accusation is just embarrassing. It’s the online version of “I can’t refute this, so I’ll imply you cheated.” That might feel clever, but it mostly signals panic.

If you’re as sharp as you seem to think you are, this shouldn’t be hard. Pick a claim. Explain why it’s wrong. Everything else is just noise you’re making to avoid that moment.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#155

Post by threethirtytwo »

yunohn wrote: post #153
threethirtytwo wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If “crypto = scam” is the full extent of your analysis, then you’re not being skeptical or careful. You’re just running a reflex and pretending it’s reasoning. People who actually understand things can explain how they’re wrong. People who don’t just announce they’ve already reached a conclusion and declare further thought unnecessary. If that’s your bar, then yes, no other reasoning is required, because none was app…

Dude, someone trying to a run a pump & dump scam on me is as clear of a negative “signal” as it gets. What are you on about?

You keep saying “signal” like you’ve discovered some deep insight, but all you’re doing is reacting to a word and shutting your brain off.

“Crypto = scam” isn’t a filter, it’s a shortcut for people who don’t want to explain themselves. You didn’t analyze anything. You flinched and stopped.

What’s telling is how confident you are while saying nothing. No description of how the scam works. No incentives. No mechanics. Just “trust me, I’ve seen this before.”

If this is what you consider a clear negative signal, then yeah, everything must look very simple from where you’re standing. Simple is doing a lot of work for you here.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#156

Post by threethirtytwo »

its_ubuntu wrote: post #151
habinero wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it, either. There's an entire class of people on here who just run around looking for anyone to lead them. I had a guy crash out after I told him that "so and so said Thing was good" was not sufficient to say whether Thing was good or not. I told him he needed to develop enough skill to determine that for himself or he'd constantly fall for hype. My dude pasted a ChatGPT list of engineers who had ever sai…

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The irony is thick here. You’re mocking people for “following,” while repeating one of the oldest, laziest superiority tropes on the internet and congratulating yourself for it.

Treating any appeal to authority as invalid isn’t critical thinking. It’s simplistic. Authority isn’t a command to believe something, it’s evidence. One piece of the puzzle.

And here’s the part you keep skipping: your own reasoning is also just an opinion. It’s fallible, incomplete, and shaped by your experience. The difference is that, on HN, most people don’t have much of a track record for others to weigh.

When someone has decades of relevant experience, that doesn’t make them right. It does mean their opinion carries more information than that of an anonymous commenter with no reputation beyond a username and a tone.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#157

Post by yunohn »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #154
yunohn wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your position was much worse - instead you’re devaluing the original post author’s opinion because they don’t have the credentials of the person you’re comparing them to. All your replies have severe clear AI slop smell, you’re not giving me any reason not to assume otherwise tbh. It’s more about whether you respect my replies to formulate your own answer, but given your appeal to authority, clearly you have no qualm…

You’re doing that thing where you confuse confidence with thinking. You haven’t engaged with the argument once. You’ve complained about credentials, then tone, then AI, then “respect.” That’s four pivots and zero substance. I didn’t say “trust this person instead of thinking.” I said experience adds context. You keep pretending those are the same thing because otherwise you’d have to actually respond. The AI accusati…

Weirdly enough, your older comments don’t all have AI slop smell - so I have to assume this is some kind of performance art, or a recent shift.

I also wasn’t aware that I’m speaking to someone who actually persistently appeals to authority and maintains a list of figures to bow down to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46783280

As such, this is where I get off this thread train. Seeya!

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#158

Post by threethirtytwo »

yunohn wrote: post #157
threethirtytwo wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re doing that thing where you confuse confidence with thinking. You haven’t engaged with the argument once. You’ve complained about credentials, then tone, then AI, then “respect.” That’s four pivots and zero substance. I didn’t say “trust this person instead of thinking.” I said experience adds context. You keep pretending those are the same thing because otherwise you’d have to actually respond. The AI accusati…

Weirdly enough, your older comments don’t all have AI slop smell - so I have to assume this is some kind of performance art, or a recent shift. I also wasn’t aware that I’m speaking to someone who actually persistently appeals to authority and maintains a list of figures to bow down to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46783280 As such, this is where I get off this thread train. Seeya!

“Maintains a list” is a funny invention. I asked a tool to help recall names. You turned that into a personality trait.

What actually happened is pretty obvious. You ran out of things to argue, so you switched to archeology. Scroll history, squint hard, invent a story, declare victory, announce departure.

That move isn’t rare. People do it when they don’t want to admit they’ve hit the end of their reasoning but still want to feel like they left on their own terms.

Confident people don’t need a backstory, a diagnosis, and an exit speech. They make the point and keep talking.

You're just quietly running away and hoping no one noticed.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#159

Post by its_ubuntu »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #156
its_ubuntu wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The irony is thick here. You’re mocking people for “following,” while repeating one of the oldest, laziest superiority tropes on the internet and congratulating yourself for it. Treating any appeal to authority as invalid isn’t critical thinking. It’s simplistic. Authority isn’t a command to believe something, it’s evidence. One piece of the puzzle. And here’s the part you keep skipping: your own reasoning is also ju…

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Re: Software Pump and Dump

#160

Post by threethirtytwo »

its_ubuntu wrote: post #159
threethirtytwo wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is thick here. You’re mocking people for “following,” while repeating one of the oldest, laziest superiority tropes on the internet and congratulating yourself for it. Treating any appeal to authority as invalid isn’t critical thinking. It’s simplistic. Authority isn’t a command to believe something, it’s evidence. One piece of the puzzle. And here’s the part you keep skipping: your own reasoning is also ju…

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“Glad you got that off your chest” is what people say when the argument beat them to the punchline.
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