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France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by ottah »

mungoman2 wrote: post #32
mary-ext wrote: post #14

I've noticed that there's a decent amount of people who had benefitted having access to computer and internet really early on that seemed to be pro on banning teen access to social media, is there a reason why? the social media of today don't seem all that much different from the internet forums of back in the day if algorithmic amplification is the reason then I'm not sure why social media as a whole has to be banne…

Imo the difference is enormous between social media and forums. Infinite feeds are designed to game you for attention, whereas the forums of yore were there to facilitate discussions. I'm sure some forums would also have liked to game you if they could, but they didn't have the scale to always have something juicy to serve up. To me it's super uncomfortable to expose my kids to a product designed by large teams with…

We grew up with 24 hour cable news. Same thing, different medium.

Remember how they manipulated us into believing in weapons of mass destruction? They would have done it with the genocide in Gaza, if it wasn't for the ability of people to share uncensored information through social media.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by ottah »

TikTok scared the elite class in ways we're not understanding. This isn't about protecting children, it's about indoctrination. You learn a santized version of the world in school and they keep you from an uncensored view of the world by controlling your access to information online. They're terrified of an informed younger generation not buying into the current political narrative. They know it's happening, because they told us that the war in Palestine was a fight against Palestinian aggressors, but young people with access to information online know it's a genocide. They want to kill that contra narrative.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by thrance »

jbstack wrote: post #95
thrance wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the Conseil d'État is not a supreme court, so their opinion on the subject is irrelevant.

I don't know how it works in France, but in common law systems opinions of other courts are always at least capable of being persuasive (not binding) precedent, so they are not irrelevant. Other courts can be, and often are, influenced by persuasive precedent when appropriate.

The Conseil d'État isn't even a court per se, it doesn't make rulings, it doesn't set precedents. Its only job is to make sure that new laws voted by Parliament aren't unconstitutional. And when they are, they simply remove the part deemed so, and have to let the rest pass through.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by thrance »

Nursie wrote: post #101
thrance wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That comparison is misguided. You can stop social media abruptly and not feel any withdrawal.

https://www.reddit.com/r/perth/comments/1pmvcml/my_14yo_is_l... I think it depends on your definition of withdrawal, but it seems that some teens did experience something analagous to it here in Australia. I think this counts in favour of the ban, myself.

It's certainly an interesting story. I'd still take it with a grain of salt, as often this kind of Reddit family story is closer to an exercise in creative writing than anything else, but that's besides the point.

I remember a communication by the World Health Organization that concluded that social media and video games are not addictive like drugs are, because they don't cause chemical withdrawal when immediately stopped. Maybe what this mother is actually witnessing is her daughter suddenly feeling socially excluded after having filled the void by social media until now?

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by krainboltgreene »

allan_s wrote: post #49
krainboltgreene wrote: post #23

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Actually, we don't stop kids from buying cigarettes, we punish stores that sell cigarettes to kids and are caught! That's my entire point! You just made my argument for me!

And the store does not use facial recognition and/or checking id to know if the potential buyer is a kid ? The only (huge) difference for me is the scale of the verification and how data are stored.

> And the store does not use facial recognition and/or checking id to know if the potential buyer is a kid?

They can just not serve cigarettes. In addition I think it's also insane to compare cigarettes, which are purely negative, to free internet usage which is massively net positive.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by krainboltgreene »

bandrami wrote: post #38
krainboltgreene wrote: post #26

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An algo-driven feed is absolutely analogous to a broadcast and saying otherwise is absurd.

I have to assume this is a joke because that's absolutely ludicrous to claim and (if true) would mean the valuation of every social media company is so inflated as to constitute fraud.

I'm being dead serious. I have no idea what you're trying to get at.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by academia_hack »

Reading the definitions here it looks like France is basically banning 15 year olds from using interactive websites. Platforms like Steam, Xbox Live, Minecraft, the New York Times comment section, etc all fall under the super-vague definition of social media services here: https://www.conseil-etat.fr/avis-consultatifs/derniers-avis-...

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by dyauspitr »

ekianjo wrote: post #5
dyauspitr wrote: post #2

Good. We need more of these laws with more teeth.

if they need age verification they will ask for everyone's ID, that is why they are doing that in the first place.

Probably for the best. Everyone is going to be very aware of what they’re putting online.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by timpera »

thrance wrote: post #154
jbstack wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how it works in France, but in common law systems opinions of other courts are always at least capable of being persuasive (not binding) precedent, so they are not irrelevant. Other courts can be, and often are, influenced by persuasive precedent when appropriate.

The Conseil d'État isn't even a court per se , it doesn't make rulings, it doesn't set precedents. Its only job is to make sure that new laws voted by Parliament aren't unconstitutional. And when they are, they simply remove the part deemed so, and have to let the rest pass through.

You are confusing the Conseil d'État with the Conseil constitutionnel.

The Conseil d'État definitely makes rulings and sets precedents. However, it cannot control the constitutionality of laws.

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