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Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

ben_w wrote: post #147
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Navy is currently blowing up random boats in the Caribbean (including double taps on survivors) because reasons.

Sure, and from what I hear that's at the level of "war crimes", but those civilians the US armed forces are killing aren't US civilians. People sign up for a variety of reasons; to keep their own safe is one of them, and that reason is incompatible with being the aggressor in a civil war.

Bro the way you brush off the US military already moving into the 'murderous war crimes' phase and thinking there is an upper bounds of the direction already in motion.

Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'?

Edit: A large group of Federal agents just murdered a 37 something American on the street, on video. He had a permit to carry, and his largest crime appears to have been traffic tickets. Prior to shooting him to death they were video'd pistol whipping his face.

These people are just fine with murdering Americans.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by digiown »

lapetitejort wrote: post #4

Bicycles do not have software to install a kill switch. They do not have license plates to be read by surveillance cameras. They do not require costly insurance to legally ride. They are not powered by fossil fuels. Buy a bike. Learn to maintain it. Advocate for safe biking infrastructure in your area.

I'm puzzled why there is so little emphasis on prioritizing bikes and other means of non-licensed transport among libertarians. Driving consents you to various things like forced ID checks, drug tests, and sometimes searches, and cars are relatively easy to track down compared to humans. In effect, car-centrism reduces civil liberties as it necessitates licensing for participating in society. And no, privatizing everything will not improve it. It will just make it worse since you'd be forced to allow insurance companies to track you to be allowed into private roads, etc.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by ben_w »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #151
ben_w wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, and from what I hear that's at the level of "war crimes", but those civilians the US armed forces are killing aren't US civilians. People sign up for a variety of reasons; to keep their own safe is one of them, and that reason is incompatible with being the aggressor in a civil war.

Bro the way you brush off the US military already moving into the 'murderous war crimes' phase and thinking there is an upper bounds of the direction already in motion. Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'? Edit: A large group of Federal agents just murdered a 37 something American on the street, on video. He had a permit to carr…

> Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'?

As I'm not American, I was already in the set of people they'd be willing to kill when ordered.

Are *the military* more likely to kill other Americans today? I do not think so.

But as I'm not American, I'm more worried that the chance of a B83 heading my way has gone from "No way!" to "3%".

> A large group of Federal agents just murdered a 37 something American on the street, on video. He had a permit to carry

There was a kid a few years back, killed for a toy in an open-carry state.

My country of birth is not, contrary to what some claim, envious of the 2nd amendment; rather, it is glad to ban firearms. Even so, we see the hypocricy of killing those who exercise their rights.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

ben_w wrote: post #153
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro the way you brush off the US military already moving into the 'murderous war crimes' phase and thinking there is an upper bounds of the direction already in motion. Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'? Edit: A large group of Federal agents just murdered a 37 something American on the street, on video. He had a permit to carr…

> Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'? As I'm not American, I was already in the set of people they'd be willing to kill when ordered. Are *the military* more likely to kill other Americans today? I do not think so. But as I'm not American, I'm more worried that the chance of a B83 heading my way has gone from "No way!" to "3%".…

Americans harassed my mom for wearing a mask during COVID when she was going through cancer treatment. They would rather she just died than 1. They wear masks 2. Be made to feel bad they didn't care about her dying.

The grocery store she shopped at literally had to setup special hours people like my mom could shop without being harassed and pushed to tears. She died knowing most of her community didn't care if she died if it inconvenienced them. 1 million Americans died and today they say 'COVID wasn't a thing'. 1 million Americans died and they say it's nothing.

Americans don't care who dies. They/we are fucking trash now. My grandfathers' generation were good people but whoever we are now, we are so lost. I grew up on Star Trek TNG American ideals and grew up Catholic and believing in the 'be kind' parts and thought my neighbors shared that but they don't.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by ndjeosibfb »

HaZeust wrote: post #133
baubino wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's been very long established that nobody has a "right" to operate a motor vehicle. You do have a right to ownership though if it’s paid in full and you have the title. If I fully own my vehicle but someone else can control or disable it remotely then they are tampering with my personal property.

"Mechanics lien" are a thing, and the government has plenty of machinations to avoid someone from registering their car or updating a registration, which does have case law for being an action prior to taking someone's vehicle as an asset seizure. Civil asset forfeiture also has extensive case law for being used with vehicles. When it comes to brass text and if the chips are down, your right for vehicle ownership is…

brass text?

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by qbrass »

iamnothere wrote: post #116
bluGill wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parts were mostly never standardized. The difference is when a production run ends they would sell all the tooling to a third party that makes parts under their own name. (and even before production ends parts that break often are worth duplicating). With computers when the production run of the LCD, CPU, ... ends nobody is making more. Even if you could get the software to install, nobody makes the computer at all a…

Fair, standardized probably isn’t the right term. Maybe common usage is a better term? I saw a video where someone was modifying a Dodge Viper and found that it used a Ford branded control switch or relay, not even the same company! Although that is a bit of an outlier.

Relays were standardized.

Other parts were sourced from outside suppliers, which also supplied the same or similar parts to other automakers. Some of them were direct replacements, some were easily modified to work, and some could be robbed for components to refurbish your old part.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by HaZeust »

ndjeosibfb wrote: post #155
HaZeust wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Mechanics lien" are a thing, and the government has plenty of machinations to avoid someone from registering their car or updating a registration, which does have case law for being an action prior to taking someone's vehicle as an asset seizure. Civil asset forfeiture also has extensive case law for being used with vehicles. When it comes to brass text and if the chips are down, your right for vehicle ownership is…

brass text?

brass tacks*. That's what I get for generating half of my comment with speech to text.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by bigbadfeline »

HaZeust wrote: post #133
baubino wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's been very long established that nobody has a "right" to operate a motor vehicle. You do have a right to ownership though if it’s paid in full and you have the title. If I fully own my vehicle but someone else can control or disable it remotely then they are tampering with my personal property.

"Mechanics lien" are a thing, and the government has plenty of machinations to avoid someone from registering their car or updating a registration, which does have case law for being an action prior to taking someone's vehicle as an asset seizure. Civil asset forfeiture also has extensive case law for being used with vehicles. When it comes to brass text and if the chips are down, your right for vehicle ownership is…

> your right for vehicle ownership is HEAVILY skewed state-side if they don't want you to have one.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you and SoftTalker appear to be writing under the influence of some questionable assumptions.

The fact that the government can excuse and routinely do something while getting away with it doesn't mean that the getting away or the actions themselves are right or justified.

The discussion here is about the compatibility of government's actions with the spirit of the Constitution which doesn't provide an exemption for habituated wrongs.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by ben_w »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #154
ben_w wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'? As I'm not American, I was already in the set of people they'd be willing to kill when ordered. Are *the military* more likely to kill other Americans today? I do not think so. But as I'm not American, I'm more worried that the chance of a B83 heading my way has gone from "No way!" to "3%".…

Americans harassed my mom for wearing a mask during COVID when she was going through cancer treatment. They would rather she just died than 1. They wear masks 2. Be made to feel bad they didn't care about her dying. The grocery store she shopped at literally had to setup special hours people like my mom could shop without being harassed and pushed to tears. She died knowing most of her community didn't care if she di…

My condolences about your mum; I lost mine during the pandemic, though Alzheimers' causing her to forget to drink water rather than cancer, and the frequent closing of international borders meaning I couldn't even be there for the funeral.

That said, you've shifted the goalposts here: the one and only thing I was disagreeing about was the military. The military are the final arbiter of what happens, when the civilian government turns evil.

Seeing all the toadying and the way red hats are becoming the new brown shirts… I hope the ocean separating us is sufficient to keep me safe.

I cannot say, an am not saying, for certain that *the US military* are going to be not-evil, because unlike everyone else in the US federal government today the majority of the US armed forces are competent enough to keep quiet, and quiet makes it impossible to tell.

But what little gets out, from specifically the military? It suggests they take their oath of allegiance to the constitution seriously.

If the military is as bad as all your other non-military examples… well, even 25 years ago I was wondering how a new American civil war would play out, and if nukes would get involved.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by ben_w »

pseudalopex wrote: post #118
pjc50 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do protests have parking?

Cities have parking. And passengers can exit a car without the driver.

I've walked from the San Jose railway station to "The" Cupertino Hotel. 8.6 miles. I don't recommend it, the sidewalks were not consistently on the same side of the road, the heat was oppressive even in January, and even just the final crossing before the hotel itself was terrifying despite the presence of pedestrian lights. My experiences elsewhere in the US are similarly pedestrian-hostile over what I consider to be short distances.

How will "passengers" being different people to "drivers" help, when most people have their phones on them at all times and can be traced, and it's the vehicle rather than any person in it which may (or may not) have an engine kill-switch?

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