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Re: Design Thinking Books (2024)

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Uhh… What does Design Thinking have to do with UX? Sure, it could be used to come up with novel ideas for user interfaces but DT (nowadays) is an approach that's several orders of magnitude more general.

The fact that it’s mostly being pushed by UX people.

Is it? Personally, I've never even encountered it in that context, and I have attended several workshops on Design Thinking.

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Thanks for that paper! It looks like a good jumping off point. I am primarily interested in the cybernetics side (feedback loops, etc) but applied to social or economic systems, as well as the intersections with Deleuze and Guattari style process philosophy (looking at how every level of the social system, including individuals, is composed of nodes in a network of flows (of desire/memesis, knowledge, material resour…

The social side is, among others, massively covered by Niklas Luhmann, the Zettelkasten guy. [1] is pure 2nd Order Cybernetics. The entry to it is a bit tough, it uses its own language. The precision presented, however, is brutal and you can’t get larger in scope, as it encompasses society as a whole, corporations, law, communication, all of it. [1] Theory of Society, Volume 1+2 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikl…

Oh I didn't realize Niklas Luhmann as the Zettelkasten guy! I use an org mode Zettelkasten (currently migrating to https://iwe.md for reasons) every day for my thoughts and ideas!

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Design Thinking is the Data Science of UX: an attempt to gain influence in fields that you don't have expertise in. Even though there might be universal design principle that can be applied in many fields, the Design Thinking people think that they can just come in and design user interfaces, etc. without really having an expertise in the particular field. Design Thinking works for selling consulting and not much els…

You have a veyr good point here. Sadly many people try to sell design thinking as a product without digging into its underpinning philosophy at all. This is driven by many business and egineering schools that tend to turn it into a creativity-making machine. Again sadly, it doesn't work. In order to benefit from design thinking, it is important look at it from the perspective of problem framing before the solution framing. You can check the Frame Innovation by Kees Dorst, who is built on the philosophy of Thomas Khun.

Another thing is that design thinking is sold as a process where we as desigenrs never think this way. The IDEO drove this approach to make it easy to understand. This is why I teach my students that design is an arena where all the factors and stages blend. You can check the last paper in the article about the Memoranda and Artfect as it sreflects on other proceeses such as the Agile.

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Design Thinking is the Data Science of UX: an attempt to gain influence in fields that you don't have expertise in. Even though there might be universal design principle that can be applied in many fields, the Design Thinking people think that they can just come in and design user interfaces, etc. without really having an expertise in the particular field. Design Thinking works for selling consulting and not much els…

Isn't design thinking just... thinking ? There may be different design methodologies you apply in different domains (e.g. civil, aeronautics, automotive, electronics, software), but once you abstract that away, what you get is thinking. I once attended a design thinking workshop many years ago, and no one there was able to adequately explain what design thinking was, except by means of jargon, metaphor, or example. M…

Yes, excatly. This is why Nigel Cross descirbe is as the designly way of thinking. Everyone has some kind of design ability, yet (good) designers show better ability to interpret situations and connect the differnet factors to better define the problem and solution. The term is underpinned by the meaning of design. Check Shape of Things: A Philosophy of Design book––I should add this to the list.

Unlike other desciplines, design is looking at the factors from epstimological and constructivism approachs where the meaning of the problem elements is clearly interpreted during the design practice.

So, feel free to call it anything, at the early 20 century, it was never been called design thinking. I usually prefer to design process/acitvity/thinking.

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Isn't design thinking just... thinking ? There may be different design methodologies you apply in different domains (e.g. civil, aeronautics, automotive, electronics, software), but once you abstract that away, what you get is thinking. I once attended a design thinking workshop many years ago, and no one there was able to adequately explain what design thinking was, except by means of jargon, metaphor, or example. M…

Design thinking is a collection of techniques that have been professional-ized into a consulting practice. Hence the mystique. What I appreciate about a good design thinking session is: - It externalises the insides of peoples heads in a way that allows other participants to share that knowledge. Individual tacit knowledge becomes shared general knowledge. - Knowledge elicited during the session is presented in a way…

Yes, I totally agree. Good expertise is crucial indeed.

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Isn't design thinking just... thinking ? There may be different design methodologies you apply in different domains (e.g. civil, aeronautics, automotive, electronics, software), but once you abstract that away, what you get is thinking. I once attended a design thinking workshop many years ago, and no one there was able to adequately explain what design thinking was, except by means of jargon, metaphor, or example. M…

Well yes, but it is thinking from the other end, usually. The reason why companies may benefit from inviting a designer is that a good designer may both aesthetically and functionally take an entirely new approach from scratch, that has the end user in mind. This is something certain types of companies and organizationa fail at often, because their daily involvement makws them hyperfocused on certain aspects while th…

Yes, this is a very good point indeed.

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Isn't design thinking just... thinking ? There may be different design methodologies you apply in different domains (e.g. civil, aeronautics, automotive, electronics, software), but once you abstract that away, what you get is thinking. I once attended a design thinking workshop many years ago, and no one there was able to adequately explain what design thinking was, except by means of jargon, metaphor, or example. M…

I got the same reaction from that “how intelligence agencies think” YouTube video. Come now, “situational awareness”? Who needs a conspiracy to pay attention to their environment? And other mental tricks that people who must be told what to do may not come up with for themselves. Design however is a highly praiseworthy contemplation. There are those who do it well, and those who best learn to rip off what works as fa…

To achieve innovation through design. it needs an organisational mindset and this shift comes with understanding that design culture is applied in strategic, tectical, and operational levels. Check my article What is this Thing Called Design Management? (https://www.designorate.com/what-is-this-thing-called-design...). This application ensures building design driven organisation.

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I got the same reaction from that “how intelligence agencies think” YouTube video. Come now, “situational awareness”? Who needs a conspiracy to pay attention to their environment? And other mental tricks that people who must be told what to do may not come up with for themselves. Design however is a highly praiseworthy contemplation. There are those who do it well, and those who best learn to rip off what works as fa…

I think you’re doing situational awareness a disservice, and I’m guessing you’ve never worked in a field where it is a trained discipline. It is not just paying attention to your surroundings, it is actively scanning and evaluating to anticipate changes to your situation. Big difference between standing on a hill taking in the view versus keeping your head on a swivel, identify avenues of approach and egress, all whi…

I worked as a designer (digital products) for 15 years before moving to the academia. I used the same mindset to design medical technology devices. While the fields seems to be differnet, the design activities are the same regadlress the outcome artefact. Of course, the expetise inputs varies.

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Sure. There are many examples of data scientists attempting to use complex Machine Learning and Deep Learning models to predict machine (bearings, gears, etc.) failures from vibration data, where a simple Fourier Transform (FFT) provides a lot more insight and predictive powers about the same problem. However, spectrum analysis is not something that data scientists learn at school, yet every mechanical/electronics en…

i confess, i've read both of your comments on this - your analogy and a deeper explanation of the analogy - and i still have no idea what you are saying. i'm not stupid. so first, my feedback here is, it sounds like you are an educator or in an education-adjacent role, and you should focus on making more sense haha. like lay out your beefs clearly, it sounds like you have a beef with interdisciplinary work, specifica…

Me too don't understand the analogy between design thinking and data science. Both are too different. But even if I am a designer and teach design, I don't think there superiority here. it is how to benefit from each approach to achieve in intended goal.

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As many other people on HN, I am an advocate for software engineers and I think it is important that software engineers themselves develop expertise and become owners in their particular fields of application, their processes, etc. Attempts to undermine their role and turn developers into simple cogs in the machine rub me the wrong way. I perceive (you might disagree) that Design Thinking, Agile, Scrum, and similar t…

having a specific negative experience can be interesting, why don't you talk about that instead? generally, having been both the "design thinker" and the thinkee, in both the formal big corporate setting you are lamenting and in a less formal research environment, my and my colleagues experiences have been unequivocally positive. nobody is thinking about things in terms of, "perception of themselves as something spec…

it is normal to see people advocate their favourite tool or process. However, I always tell my design students to be critical and strategic when choosing their tools.
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