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Our approach to age prediction

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Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by greatgib »

> typical times of day when someone is active, usage patterns over time,

> Users [...] will always have a [...] simple way to confirm their age and restore their full access with a selfie through Persona, a secure identity-verification service.

Nice, so now your most secret inner talk with the LLM can be directly associated with face and ID. Get ready for the fun moment when Trump decide that he needs to see what are your discussions with the AI when you pass the border or piss him off...

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

adrianwaj wrote: post #148
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t think your preference for not using a smart phone makes a viable market do you - seeing global penetration of smartphones is 90% and even higher among those who can afford to travel?

I think compulsory 2FA and the trend towards must-have downloadable phone apps is a problem, but that may not be fully evident... yet. In my experience, being tied to a phone and phone number is a problem. Also, when you carry your phone, your funds are at risk too from tech-jacking (as opposed to car-jacking) .. especially with crypto, right? "I keep a cheap travel eSim plan active on it so that if I am somewhere sk…

So now instead of carrying a phone around with you to make a call, you want to carry around a laptop?

Again, your use case is not a business model. What next bring back pay phones?

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by kmoser »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #99
sho_hn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an engineer working on safety-critical systems and have to live with that responsibility every day. When I read the chat logs of the first teenager who committed suicide with the help and encouragement of ChatGPT I was immediately thinking about ways that could be avoided that make sense in the product. I want companies like OpenAI to have the same reaction and try things. I'm just glad they are. I'm also fully a…

Sorry, but for every chat log with one teenager who commited suicide due to AI, I'm sure you can find many more of people/teens with suicide thoughts or intent that are explicitly NOT doing it because of advice from AI systems. I'm pretty sure AI has saved more lives than it has taken, and there's pretty strong arguments to say that someone whose thinking of committing suicide will likely be thinking about it with or…

The relatively arbitrary cutoff at 18 is also an indication that this is a blunt tool, intended to alleviate some low-lying fruit of potential misuse but which will clearly miss the larger mark since there will be plenty of false positives (not to mention false negatives).

Some kids are mature enough from day one to never need tech overlords to babysit them, while others will need to be hand-held through adulthood. (I've been online since I was 12, during the wild and wooly Usenet and BBS days, and was always smart enough not to give personal info to strangers; I also saw plenty of pornographic images [paper] from an even younger age and turned out just fine, thank you.)

Maybe instead of making guesses about people's ages, when ChatGPT detects potentially abusive behavior, it should walk the user through a series of questions to ensure the user knows and understands the risks.

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by [deleted] »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #152
adrianwaj wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think compulsory 2FA and the trend towards must-have downloadable phone apps is a problem, but that may not be fully evident... yet. In my experience, being tied to a phone and phone number is a problem. Also, when you carry your phone, your funds are at risk too from tech-jacking (as opposed to car-jacking) .. especially with crypto, right? "I keep a cheap travel eSim plan active on it so that if I am somewhere sk…

So now instead of carrying a phone around with you to make a call, you want to carry around a laptop? Again, your use case is not a business model. What next bring back pay phones?

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Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by bandrami »

al_borland wrote: post #11

> Viral challenges that could encourage risky or harmful behavior in minors Why would it encourage this for anyone?

I was depressed but not surprised at how easy it turned out to be to get people to take horse-dewormer and wash it down with unpasteurized milk

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by nomilk »

This could have the unintended consequence of encouraging under-agers to ask more 'adult' questions in order to try to trick it into thinking they're an adult. Analogous to the city that wanted to get rid of rats, so offered a bounty for every dead rat, and to the surprise of nobody except policy makers, the city ended up with more rats, not less. (lesson: they thought they were incentivising less rats, but unintentionally incentivised more)

The padding in OpenAI's statement is easy to see through:

> The model looks at a combination of behavioral and account-level signals, including how long an account has existed, typical times of day when someone is active, usage patterns over time, and a user’s stated age.

(the only real signal here is 'usage patterns' - AKA the content of conversations - the other variables are obfuscation to soften the idea that OpenAI will be pouring over users' private conversations to figure out if they're over/under age.).

Worth also noting 'neutered' AI models tend to be less useful. Example: Older Stable Diffusion models were preferred over newer, neutered models: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFtjKbXKqbg&t=1h16m

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by yunohn »

samename wrote: post #47
yunohn wrote: post #30

This is 100% for advertising, not user safety. It’s absolutely crucial for effective ad monetization to know the users age - significant avenues are closed down due to various legislation like COPPA and similar around the world. It severely limits which users can even be subject to ads, the kind of ads, and whether data can be collected for profiling and targeting for ads.

Are you suggesting regulations designed to protect children actually require more data collection and enable the surveillance economy?

Yes…? Even the EFF thinks so - https://www.eff.org/issues/age-verification

If this was for safety, they could’ve done it literally any time in the past few years - instead of within days of announcing their advertising plans!

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by duskwuff »

jedberg wrote: post #96
sigmar wrote: post #77

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I, for one, would love to see the gen alphas tiktoking about what 401k questions to type into chatgpt

Anyone remember the game Leisure Suit Larry? To get the full 18+ experience, you had to answer five trivia questions that only adults should know. But it turns out smart teens who like trivia knew most of them too (and you could just ask mom and dad, they had no clue why you were asking which President appeared on Laugh In).

Also, hilariously, a lot of those questions require a trip to Wikipedia (or a game guide) today. A lot of them reference bits of 1960s/1970s pop culture which are no longer common knowledge.

https://allowe.com/games/larry/tips-manuals/lsl1-age-quiz.ht...

Re: Our approach to age prediction

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Post by knallfrosch »

greatgib wrote: post #151

> typical times of day when someone is active, usage patterns over time, > Users [...] will always have a [...] simple way to confirm their age and restore their full access with a selfie through Persona, a secure identity-verification service. Nice, so now your most secret inner talk with the LLM can be directly associated with face and ID. Get ready for the fun moment when Trump decide that he needs to see what are…

20 years of Google searches, iCloud calendar events, Microsoft EMails, Netflix viewing and Amazon purchases have doomed you already.
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