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High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39

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For many years the Spanish state-owned company RENFE had a monopoly on Spain's huge high speed rail network. However their high prices, inconvenient schedules and poor customer service were often criticized, and so when, to the annoyance of RENFE and many spanish politicians, additional foreign operators entered the market on the key Madrid - Barcelona route, ridership doubled whilst ticket prices halved. So I would…

Foreign operators are mandated by the EU, they can't be banned. Spain has been one of the first countries to allow foreign high speed operators (unlike other European countries that did attempt to delay their entrance as much as possible

I have observed that it is a recurring pattern. I am most aware of the behind the scenes in public education, but I believe it is across the board.

Massive efforts are done to implement reforms to conform to EU standards, believing that that’s how the “superior” EU members do it (Germany, NL, Nordics…). But then I go there and I see that their system has nothing to do with the standards and they are not doing much to conform.

It’s fine, these reforms are often beneficial for Spain, and I do believe that generally being in the EU is a big win-win. Although sometimes it’s just a lot of unnecessary reshuffling at great cost.

A certain segment of the Spanish population really looks up to northern EU countries, or rather they feel a sense of inferiority. In practice there is not all that much to look up to and I believe Spain should be feel more confident. Many great things are prevented by the widespread belief that we are in a shitty country and that everyone is useless, but it is just not true.

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I don't think Russians are directly behind this. They targeted trains in Poland twice, but I suspect the next targets would be in Germany, France and the UK, and not Spain which is relatively conservative in supporting Ukraine.

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As a reference, ~1500-2000 people die every year due to cars in Spain.

I knew this would come up so specifically searched for the comment. And I knew the death rate for cars would be >>>> than trains. HOWEVER, there is something unique scary about a single incident that kills more people that fit in a typical car. Combined with the fact that you have 0 control over it is much more frightening (for lack of a better word) than car static deaths. Just my opnion, may not be rational but I'd…

> but I'd still rather be behind the wheel

Maybe if it's a trip I do once in a while. But going from Málaga to Madrid and back once a week, in a car, driving? Or Barcelona Madrid once a week? No, hard pass, I'd rather be driven by someone else, in a comfy carriage, where I can comfortably sleep or do other things in the meantime.

Me and thousands of others agree, otherwise we wouldn't have one of the most expansive train networks in the world. Spain might be larger than people think, driving to everywhere in the country while fun, isn't feasible for repeated trips, the distances are just too large.

With that said, every once in a while a road trip with a car is really nice, maybe every 1-2 years, and driving across Europe stopping when you see something interesting or driving towards interesting things you see in the distance. Hard to get that same "explorer" feeling with other modes of transportation :)

Re: High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39

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I don't think Russians are directly behind this. They targeted trains in Poland twice, but I suspect the next targets would be in Germany, France and the UK, and not Spain which is relatively conservative in supporting Ukraine.

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Literally nothing you have said is backed up by any evidence. Provide evidence, please, or retract your nonsense claims.

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From the aerial imagery it looks like the accident sequence started at the track switch [1]. The RENFE is rested south of it and the Iryo is north. Quite similar to the 1998 Eschede ICE accident which started with a broken wheel rim and finally derailed at a track switch.

I wonder how anybody knows that it was the Iryo train that caused the accident.

[1] https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cek9DgChguXJxVpd6

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Literally nothing you have said is backed up by any evidence. Provide evidence, please, or retract your nonsense claims.

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Opinion is not fact. Provide some facts to support your atrocious claims. You have provided only an opinion based on specious references to groupthink.

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Source of you being intentionally misleading? Sure: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46675778

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> Is showing that the government is underfunding railways being misleading?

When the accident happened in a different rail network than the one you're highlighting as being underfunded, yes, of course. In what world wouldn't this be misleading?

Not even our shit TV networks does stuff like that, and they're generally very quick at being partisan and misleading.

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What we know so far: 1. The last 3 cars from the Iryo train (Frecciarossa 1000) derailed for unknown reasons. It's a straight line, so this is extremely rare. 2. The Renfe train (Alvia) didn't have time to break and hit the derailed trains from Iryo, the two first cars derail as a consequence of the impact. 3. The Iryo train(Frecciarossa 1000), that caused the accident, was manufactured in 2022 and it passed a techni…

You left out that the machinists warned about the bad state of the railway tracks and asked for reducing the train speed[1].

There is underfunding in all the railway network.

[1]: https://www.eldebate.com/economia/20250809/maquinistas-piden...

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