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2025 was the third hottest year on record

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Re: 2025 was the third hottest year on record

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Post by mmooss »

tmnvix wrote: post #121
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This also means two thirds of emissions are not due to vehicular emissions. Let’s tackle that first, more bang for the buck? Also - does that per capita figure include cargo? If so, how much? Does it matter if random individual takes personal Responsibility and stops driving when all those long haul trucks will still be on the road?

My point is that in terms of personal responsibility nothing comes remotely close to driving but a vanishingly small proportion of people are willing to consider this.

What I've read is that diet can do more, though of course it depends on what you currently eat and your current transportation.

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Post by magicalhippo »

foltik wrote: post #99
tonymet wrote: post #81

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That’s not the raw data. The original recordings were made by merchants on parchment. They measured the volume of water in a wooden box, to set the buoyancy for their loads

What are you even talking about. They had weather stations with mercury thermometers and wrote down temperatures in a logbook.

For the interested, here[1] is an article on an attempt to recreate and verify measurements made during the HMS Challenger expedition in the 1870s.

It was recently done so the full results aren't out, but one aspect they noted was that the traditionally-created hemp rope stretched about 10% so temperatures were taken at slightly deeper depths than expected. This can be used to calibrate the data from HMS Challenger.

[1]: https://www.oneoceanexpedition.com/article/checked-150-year-...

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Post by f_allwein »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #23

Is there a real practical solution to this? It seems like all proposed solutions in last 40 years are a drop in the ocean, or just a money grab scams. Only thing that really worked for such global scale is the ozone layer repair. Global warming/climate change I guess we should just accept it and adapt?

Don’t live like a rich person in a developed country - they’re the only ones whose co2 footprints are too high.

Re: 2025 was the third hottest year on record

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Post by oezi »

simianparrot wrote: post #128
misnome wrote: post #120

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Congratulations, you know the local weather

Local weather is what matters to individuals. So is access to affordable energy. You cannot coerce someone to ignore their local weather and sabotage access to affordable energy because of some global average. It’s a losing battle that’s fundamentally misled.

You have to coerce the individual to follow the strategic direction despite tactical disadvantages. This is what leadership means.

If we all individually spend more money to accommodate the effects of climate change than their causes, then we are wasting enormous economic resources.

Re: 2025 was the third hottest year on record

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Post by philistine »

tmnvix wrote: post #121
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This also means two thirds of emissions are not due to vehicular emissions. Let’s tackle that first, more bang for the buck? Also - does that per capita figure include cargo? If so, how much? Does it matter if random individual takes personal Responsibility and stops driving when all those long haul trucks will still be on the road?

My point is that in terms of personal responsibility nothing comes remotely close to driving but a vanishingly small proportion of people are willing to consider this.

Flying is much higher than driving.

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linuxhansl wrote: post #141

With 2024 and 2023 being 2nd and 1st resp. The last 11 years were the hottest 11 in recorded history. I don't know how more evidence we need. We are standing on the train tracks, the train is coming, and many of us say "Oh just look over there instead, we'll be fine." Meanwhile - even if you do not care about climate - there is so much money to make with renewables (production, storage, mobility, etc). China and much…

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Re: 2025 was the third hottest year on record

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Post by oezi »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #23

Is there a real practical solution to this? It seems like all proposed solutions in last 40 years are a drop in the ocean, or just a money grab scams. Only thing that really worked for such global scale is the ozone layer repair. Global warming/climate change I guess we should just accept it and adapt?

The real solution is pricing the true cost of the externalities fairly and globally.

Everything which isn't sustainable must he taxed to the degree to offset the damage. We know well that economic incentives work best and that markets are efficient to achieve optimal solutions.

The core issue is just game theory to coordinate globally all players to prevent free riding.

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Post by simianparrot »

oezi wrote: post #154
simianparrot wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Local weather is what matters to individuals. So is access to affordable energy. You cannot coerce someone to ignore their local weather and sabotage access to affordable energy because of some global average. It’s a losing battle that’s fundamentally misled.

You have to coerce the individual to follow the strategic direction despite tactical disadvantages. This is what leadership means. If we all individually spend more money to accommodate the effects of climate change than their causes, then we are wasting enormous economic resources.

Sure, but local is a radius. There's my local, then there's my region's local, then there's my country's local. As wonderful as globalism sounds on paper, if saving the global average leads to a drought or a flood for another country, or another region, then you are trying to convince others of giving up a lot for no tangible relevant gain.

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Post by magicalhippo »

doktor2un wrote: post #52
rwmj wrote: post #32

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https://cds.climate.copernicus.eu/datasets

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If you want the raw data, you'll have to go dig in the archives to find the log books and card decks.

This[1] paper goes into some detail on how the digital records were constructed from the log books, card decks and such. This[2] paper deals with an update of those digital records, including new digitization efforts. You can download the raw digital data from ICOADS here[3].

[1]: https://doi.org/10.1175/1520-0477(1987)068%3C1239:ACOADS%3E2... A Comprehensive Ocean-Atmosphere Data Set (available on the hub of science)

[2]: https://doi.org/10.1002/joc.4775 ICOADS Release 3.0: a major update to the historical marine climate record (open access)

[3]: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/data/international-comprehensive-o...

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