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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

fofoz wrote: post #78

My impression as a European is that trust in the United States has now been burned, and that companies are slowly, but inexorably, completely rethinking their dependence on the U.S. I believe this is a process that is not reversible in the medium term. Trump, like any politician, will sooner or later pass. How many institutional reforms will the United States have to undertake, and how long will it take before the wo…

The thing is that, even if Trump never becomes a full-out authoritarian, sooner or later someone will follow that path and do so (unless there are institutional reforms with teeth after Trump is gone). I don't trust the US to remain a real democracy long-term, even after Trump is gone.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

forgotTheLast wrote: post #150
jeppester wrote: post #96

Can this be revoked after the midterms? In that case I guess the EU can wait it out.

The tariffs are claimed to be a national security emergency and without the approval or Congress, therefore the composition of Congress won't matter unless the Supreme court judges otherwise.

But the Supreme Court is going to judge, sooner rather than later. I sincerely hope they will rule against Trump (that seems to me the way that the merits of the case demand).

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by pan69 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #79

So Trump doesn't like the fact that some European countries dare to oppose his dictat, so in response he's going to... raise the prices on US consumers ?

Yeah, it's crazy. Punishing Europe by increasing American's cost of living.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by omnimus »

dh2022 wrote: post #35
voidfunc wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides. It will align with the US reluctantly because even a bat shit crazy US is better than Russia. China plays it too close to the chest to be a friend.

I think Europe can handle Russia by itself quite well. The Baltics are vulnerable, but Poland will definitely kick Russia's butt in a military engagement. Poles will defend EU's eastern flank. I expect Europe to distance itself from US. Let's see.

I think you are underestimating how entrenched and strong US lobby is. European governments are filled to the roof with US boosters whos whole wealth is tied to what US wants. Even people like Macron have been bribed by US companies for decades.

And now with huge hard right turn in europe all those “nationalists” will just bend over even more to get US lobby money and consulting contracts. They are already tied to national oligarchs so they welcome Trump and will likely sell off Ukraine to get “peace” and slowely dismantle EU. The aim is that every country will follow hungary and slovakia - corrupted, weak and undemocratic.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by alephnerd »

blibble wrote: post #143
alephnerd wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> some billionaire who makes fancy handbags saying he's going to support a different political party will have zero impact on election results Arnault already has. He's the reason Élisabeth Borne is no longer the PM [0] and why the billionaire tax failed [1]. And his rival Bolloré is the reason why the RN is at the cusp of power [2] > we don't have the cancer that is fox news Instead you have Vivendi and Canal+ who a…

> He already has. He's the reason Elisabeth Borne is no longer the PM [0]. And his rival Bolloré is the reason why the RN is at the cusp of power [1] all before the US went completely off the rails even the AfD are now distancing themselves from the US regime

> all before the US went full retard

Oligarchs like Bolloré continued to support, collaborate, and disseminate pro-Putin and pro-Russia media [0][1][2] despite Macron's avowed support for Ukraine and Putin going "full retard".

In other cases, oligarchs like Arnault have been personal friends with Trump since the 1980s [3] and have co-invested in his personal businesses for decades.

They'll continue to collaborate with Trump as well due to personal, ideological [4] and financial [5] ties.

> even the AfD are now distancing themselves from the US regime

Yet their backer Dröpfer, who has had a history of support Thiel projects like Vance [6] and continues to maintain capital relations with Thiel [7].

Even in Poland, Tusk came out against sending troops to Greenland [8] due to political pressure from the American funded Polish right [9].

The reality is, the US, China, Russia, and increasingly even India view European states as easily pliable [10]

[0] - https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2025/03/08/les-medi...

[1] - https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2025/03/11/attaque-...

[2] - https://www.streetpress.com/sujet/1741019147-bollore-embauch...

[3] - https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/trump-e-arnault-antico-legam...

[4] - https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2025/03/03/comment-...

[5] - https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2025/03/14/l-administ...

[6] - https://www.ft.com/content/cb1cc264-84b9-40da-a484-ff897cd38...

[7] - https://www.sueddeutsche.de/projekte/artikel/politik/drohnen...

[8] - https://www.reuters.com/world/poland-will-not-send-soldiers-...

[9] - https://china-cee.eu/2026/01/15/poland-monthly-briefing-karo...

[10] - https://www.economist.com/china/2025/11/17/europe-sees-china...

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by LexiMax »

SirWalross wrote: post #71
komali2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascist states get at least one free pass. For Germany it was Poland, for the USA I believe they're deciding between Venezuela and Greenland. Personally I think the better bet is Greenland because they can probably get Venezuela for free after since nobody cares about Venezuela. A "two in one deal" if you will, perhaps one of America's greatest inventions. Edit: I meant to write Austria but am so used to writing "Ger…

Poland was hardly a free pass. The Sudetenland was the free pass.

I'd hardly call any of Germany's prewar annexations free.

It was clear very early on that Germany was being led by a violent bully, so past a certain point appeasement wasn't a blank check, but was instead intended to buy time to spin up war industries.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by tstrimple »

sixothree wrote: post #18
pixelesque wrote: post #4

To think Ted Cruz was partially on the money when he said in 2016 that "Donald might wake up one morning and nuke Denmark". What has happened to the US...

Fox News happened.

Right wing media and Newt Gingrich have really done a number on this country.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by blibble »

alephnerd wrote: post #156
blibble wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He already has. He's the reason Elisabeth Borne is no longer the PM [0]. And his rival Bolloré is the reason why the RN is at the cusp of power [1] all before the US went completely off the rails even the AfD are now distancing themselves from the US regime

> all before the US went full retard Oligarchs like Bolloré continued to support, collaborate, and disseminate pro-Putin and pro-Russia media [0][1][2] despite Macron's avowed support for Ukraine and Putin going "full retard". In other cases, oligarchs like Arnault have been personal friends with Trump since the 1980s [3] and have co-invested in his personal businesses for decades. They'll continue to collaborate wit…

you'd think a "VC" would be aware of the concept of "past performance is no guarantee of future returns"

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by alephnerd »

blibble wrote: post #159
alephnerd wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> all before the US went full retard Oligarchs like Bolloré continued to support, collaborate, and disseminate pro-Putin and pro-Russia media [0][1][2] despite Macron's avowed support for Ukraine and Putin going "full retard". In other cases, oligarchs like Arnault have been personal friends with Trump since the 1980s [3] and have co-invested in his personal businesses for decades. They'll continue to collaborate wit…

you'd think a "VC" would be aware of the concept of "past performance is no guarantee of future returns"

I'm also aware that money is thicker than blood which is thicker than water. If forced to choose between collaboration and confrontation, a large portion will end up choosing collaboration.

As a Frenchman, I'm sure you are well aware of how in Vichy France, industry collaborated with the authoritarian regime via Comités d'organisation.

Humans are selfish and normal people cannot win against oligarchs. What else can we do.

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