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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Scubabear68 »

api wrote: post #83
spikej wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

> The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs

Funny. Back in the 90s Microsoft just hired kind of random kids from college to write their OS in C.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by RankingMember »

dmitrygr wrote: post #135
ncpa-cpl wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Calc! It takes about 5 seconds to load. And search is so unreliable mixing web and local results.

I still use a copy of Calc.EXE from Windows 2000 that I just move from machine to machine. It stopped being useful after that. That old one is nice. Hex mode. Starts quickly.

If I could get regular security updates for Windows 2000 I might still be using it- peak Windows

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by golden-face »

dataflow wrote: post #73

Windows 11 is fast enough if you... disable a million things on it that >99% of users wouldn't know when/how to, or wouldn't want to. Definitely depressing.

Can you expand on this? For example details on any tools to do this. I've been trying to disable features I know use resources and aren't needed but the native UIs to do it are hella confusing and feel purposely useless.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by prmoustache »

thunky wrote: post #41
epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

> I'm more and more inclined of switching my desktop (my main working machine) to Omarchy Never heard of it and the website and GitHub repo sure aren't doing a great job of describing it's benefits. "Beautiful, Modern & Opinionated" are vague and really aren't adjectives I'd be looking for in an OS.

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by eXpl0it3r »

api wrote: post #83
spikej wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

In my opinion this is mostly self-inflicted by Microsoft.

Sure some push for web-based solution has moved a lot of people away from desktop applications, but even before that Microsoft muddied the waters of native UI development.

Moving from User32.dll and GDI to GPU based rendering with WPF, might not have been the worst idea - and WPF is still going strong - but it's a clear cut, leaving old apps un-upgradable. So if companies need to eventually rewrite it, will they stick with desktop apps or move to "web apps"?

Unfortunately, Microsoft didn't stop there, but we've since seen a bunch of different attempts at new Windows UI libs to the point, where nobody trusts Microsoft anymore (remember Silverlight?) and everyone else is left confused by the chaos of an ecosystem.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by BoredPositron »

ncpa-cpl wrote: post #120
spikej wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

And Calc! It takes about 5 seconds to load. And search is so unreliable mixing web and local results.

Best part is that on a fresh install without internet you are not able to use it...well all of the modern replacement apps.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by schmuckonwheels »

addaon wrote: post #142
schmuckonwheels wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about Carbon? Gone. 32-bit apps? Gone. PowerPC stuff? Anything more than a few years old? Forget it. You can't even run versions of iPhoto or iTunes after they deliberately broke them and replaced them with objectively shittier equivalents. Their own apps! Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. There are VB6 apps from 1998 talking to Access databases still running small businesses today. Can…

> 32-bit apps? The Core 2 Duo, used in the last 32 bit Mac, was released in 2006. > PowerPC stuff? The last G5 PowerPCs were, similarly, discontinued in 2006. > every 5 years. 20?

Your stance is all software should die as soon as the generation of chip it was developed on stops being sold?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by zdragnar »

epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

You may also want to consider Cosmic. PopOS has consistently been the distro that "just works" for me, though I don't use it much as I prefer to tinker more. That said, they're doing a lot of good work making Cosmic as a better replacement for the ton of gnome 3 hacks they had to do before.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by jamespo »

epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

Try EndeavourOS

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] »

demosito666 wrote: post #149
Flux159 wrote: post #15

"What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law On a more serious note, I really only use Windows for games & I'm still always frustrated with how many updates (& restarts during updates) Windows needs. My fans are always constantly spinning on Windows too (laptop or desktop) whereas my Mac & Linux machines are generally silent outside of heavy load.

And yet the battery in your Linux laptop dies 2x faster...

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