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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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I don't care what you think is viable anymore, because the current US immigration enforcement authorities are themselves criminals and murderers. Until Kristi Noem and Greg Bovino are in prison jumpsuits, I will never support the enforcement of US immigration laws and wholeheartedly endorse all lawful efforts to obstruct it.

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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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But why is your own framing exempt from the analysis? The idea that you should see a murder and "look at it all with a cold eye", to try and dispassionately understand whether it might have been justified, is a non-obvious idea that's quite advantageous to power centers that expect to be shooting people frequently.

Am I suggesting that you do not do it? Hardly. That said, I am simply not buying my newly assigned martyr.

Again, this concept of "newly assigned martyr" you have is not something that fell from heaven fully formed. It was shaped and given to you by what you call "power centers" - ones which are currently running the United States government! - because they think this framing is beneficial to them. I'm going to stop the conversation here before I start coming up with unwise insults, because it's just infuriating that you can't turn this critical eye on yourself and the informational warfare you're subject to.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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>The material does not say how Penlink obtains the smartphone location data in the first place. But surveillance companies and data brokers broadly gather it in two different ways. The first is from small bundles of code included in ordinary apps called software development kits, or SDKs. SDK owners then pay the app developers, who might make things like weather or prayer apps, for their users’ location data. The sec…

If you install 100 apps on your phone, and 50% are participating in the kind of ad network that this data is sourced form, and 10% of the apps convince you to enable location services either by having a plausible need for it or by dark patterns or by your carelessness, that means there are still multiple sources where this information gets out. The math is on the trackers' side, not the users'.

You should install the absolute minimum amount of apps possible and should prefer a website whenever you can. And, of the apps you do install, install them from trusted open source repositories, and allow them the absolute minimum permissions to do whatever you need them to do. They're tools for you.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Video analysis is depressing: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis...

I wonder what conclusion the FBI's investigation will come to because it sure doesn't look good for ICE to me. Best case, those two agents get sentenced to life for murder but the damage is done and a life taken. If the officer fired two shots and she died at the scene then it seems reasonable to me the bullets didn't go through the windshield and, instead, went through her rolled down window while she was turning aw…

Looking at the video in the link GP provided, it is obvious first shot went through the windshield. The others went through the side window.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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See my other comment. At least in this particular case the databrokers are getting the data from apps themselves. If you don't grant location permissions to shady weather/transit/delivery apps, you should be safe.

Without more information about how the system works, a casual "eh if I don't grant location data access to shady apps I'm probably safe" seems very risky. What apps are "shady"? How does the real-time bidding system obtain and divulge location data? I think that it is not a safe assumption that the only way corporations are obtaining people's location is via OS location APIs.

>Without more information about how the system works, a casual "eh if I don't grant location data access to shady apps I'm probably safe" seems very risky.

I don't think anyone who actually is at risk, or cares about risk, is going to be overconfident about their security because some HN commenter said "you're probably fine".

>What apps are "shady"?

Depends on your paranoia level. I'd say first party apps (eg. apple/google maps/weather) are probably fine. Google has the additional caveat that they record location history and therefore might be subject to geofence warrants. If you think iOS/Android is backdoored then all phones are off limits.

>How does the real-time bidding system obtain and divulge location data?

They're whatever ad SDKs can get their hands on. If the app has location permissions, it's that. Otherwise it's something like geoip. At the end of the day it's just third party code running in some app's sandbox. If the app can't get it, the SDK can't get it either.

>I think that it is not a safe assumption that the only way corporations are obtaining people's location is via OS location APIs.

What other plausible mechanism are there then? wifi/bluetooth scanning requires location permissions since forever ago.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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>Do not use devices that can be trivially tracked through the cell network, or that can be surveilled by big tech. This means a device bought anonymously, a free/libre OS like Graphene GrapheneOS isn't magically exempt from cell tracking, and both android and ios phones can go into airplane mode and have location disabled, which provides similar privacy. >and an anonymous SIM paid for with cash or crypto. This should…

> GrapheneOS isn't magically exempt from cell tracking, and both android and ios phones can go into airplane mode and have location disabled, which provides similar privacy. You practically can't do anything on a Googled Android device or iOS without a Google or Apple account, so no, they don't provide "similar privacy." The point of a FOSS system is that the user fully controls it, and can install apps privately fro…

>You practically can't do anything on a Googled Android device or iOS without a Google or Apple account, so no, they don't provide "similar privacy."

If you're talking about not being able to install third party apps, aurora store doesn't require an account and works fine on stock android. Most other basic functionality works fine too, eg. camera, calls, browsing, maps.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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So this is getting to be pretty real and pretty scary. How many of you have actually considered just not using your mobile phone any longer? Turning it off, only powering it on when you need it, and not bringing it when you leave your home? Within a lot of our lifetimes, this was the norm. Are these devices so useful that put up with carrying a tracking / listening device on us at all time?

FYI, powering off your iPhone does not prevent it from being tracked. It continues to broadcast a low-power Bluetooth signal other Apple devices will relay to iCloud.

"Participating in the Find My network lets you locate this iPhone even when it's offline, in power reserve mode, and after power off"

Settings > Apple Account > Find My > Find My iPhone

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Trump watched the video in front of a bunch of reporters and said "meh". Nothing will change for 3.5 years minimum. 40% of the country thinks he's doing great, and a greater percentage of those 40% vote vs the people who vote from the other group.

If midterms go well, and the special elections last November suggest they may, then at least we may be able to blunt some of the harm. But the underlying point that about 35% of Americans just fundamentally do not seem to value civilization is a problem that has to be worked around.

The only way elections will change anything is if the Senate flips to 2/3 control by the Dems. I doubt enough GOP will vote to convict to reach 2/3. So even if a 51% House impeaches, it will go no further. We've already seen this scenario. Twice.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Basically: if it has a modem in it, it can be used against you in some way. Phones, routers, cars, public signs, cameras. It's been so turbulent lately, that it's hard to register events that would have blown our minds if so many things didn't also happen around the same time. Remember when Israel made a bunch of pagers explode indiscriminately across Lebanon and Syria? So many things going on, one worse than the oth…

Its important to not be hyperbolic in these times. The two technologies ICE uses rely on permission for apps tonuse geolocation data for advertising purposes. Same reason you start seeing ads for local things when you travel. Technically they can subpoena cell records to see which towers your phone connects to, but this is not viable for multiple people. For privacy, if you care, having a rooted degoogled phone with…

That may be true for this specific use case, but the protection on bigger services could be easily rolled back. E.g., law enforcement was able to ask Google for "tell me everyone who was in this specific area during this time" [0] and is still able to ask "give me everyone who searched for a specific term" [1].

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/larsdaniel/2024/10/08/google-to... [1] https://reason.com/volokh/2025/12/16/are-there-fourth-amendm...

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