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Re: Eat Real Food

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SomeHacker44 wrote: post #58
isoprophlex wrote: post #21

let me first post a shallow, obligatory complaint about the unreadability of this submission due to egregious scrolljacking. for those interested without getting angered by weird scroll behavior, see below. too bad there's such a focus on animal protein/products, which isn't all that good if you want to design a world-wide society of billions of people that's going to last into the next 1000 years. seems like at leas…

War on protein? Why does this comment belong in a recommendation list?

Because the current administration has an overriding focus on self-aggrandizement and the struggle against persecution by hidden forces. All communications and outputs of the administration must pay lip service to said focus, no matter how unprofessional or off-topic such virtue signaling may be.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by ahazred8ta »

bccdee wrote: post #131
FumblingBear wrote: post #42

Moderately amused at the quote "We are ending the war on protein." In my experience, every single brand in recent years has been coalescing around the idea of making protein bars, drinks, prominently labeling the amount of grams of protein are in items, etc. I'm not opposed, as protein seems to be a good target to prioritize, but claiming there's a war on protein just seems so out of touch to the point of absurdity.…

Yeah, (1) there is no "war on protein," (2) you do not need to eat very much protein unless you are trying to build muscle and you already work out a lot. The normal recommended daily intake for protein is 0.8 g/kg. 1.2-1.6 is silly; that's a recommendation for athletes.¹ Starches have been a dietary staple in pretty much every society forever. Sugars have not. It's silly that they treat grains as a "sometimes" food.…

'Processed' generally means 'chemically modified', a la hydrogenated vegetable oil.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by array_key_first »

tracker1 wrote: post #61
FumblingBear wrote: post #42

Moderately amused at the quote "We are ending the war on protein." In my experience, every single brand in recent years has been coalescing around the idea of making protein bars, drinks, prominently labeling the amount of grams of protein are in items, etc. I'm not opposed, as protein seems to be a good target to prioritize, but claiming there's a war on protein just seems so out of touch to the point of absurdity.…

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There is A LOT of evidence that diets high in saturated fats cause heart disease and the whole plethora of metabolic diseases that go with it. It's basically undeniable that red meat is just, like, bad for you.

Not to mention processed red meats are in the same classification of carcinogen as alcohol and Tabacoo. And regular red meat is still higher up than aspartame, aka diet coke.

Meat can be good for you. But it shouldn't take a genius to deduce that a diet of steaks, cheeseburgers, milkshakes, and bacon probably is not.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by alexjplant »

cpursley wrote: post #48
isoprophlex wrote: post #21

let me first post a shallow, obligatory complaint about the unreadability of this submission due to egregious scrolljacking. for those interested without getting angered by weird scroll behavior, see below. too bad there's such a focus on animal protein/products, which isn't all that good if you want to design a world-wide society of billions of people that's going to last into the next 1000 years. seems like at leas…

Stick with this list and kick the refined carbs, limit even whole grains and no sugar (including most alcohol) and it's actually difficult to be over 15% body fat even if you overeat all the rest (assuming no hormonal issues, that can throw a wrench into things).

Alcohol is neither a carb nor sugar and weight is largely a function of calories in versus calories out. All of the hand-wringing about HFCS and seed oils and deep fried Crisco is misplaced; while these things are all unhealthy in their own way obesity is largely a function of sedentary lifestyles and overeating.

Nobody wants to hear that they're a lazy glutton, however, so pop health media conflates various causes and effects. In other words eating foods with higher satiety and lower macronutrient density and walking more is harder than introducing a new dietary restriction to combat the "monster of the week" - inflammation, microbiome imbalance, etc.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by tracker1 »

opinion3k wrote: post #128

it's great to recommend these things but if you're poor and live in a food desert, it doesn't address the actual issues that prevent people from eating healthier: money, living in an area where the bodega or wal-mart are your only food options, corporate interests that want us to eat ultra-processed foods, not having the time or ability to cook, and many more I'm sure.

Even questionable quality ground beef is almost always a better option than most carb-centric nutrition sources. It freezes well, transports is broadly available and can usually be ordered for delivery.

Eggs, aside from some of the disease issues are also a very good, nutritionally complete source of protein that are relatively inexpensive.

Another issue is that people have been conditioned to eat/snack all the time... a lot of people have moved towards 2-3 meals a day which is closer to historical norms... have protein be your main source, with vegetables as a side, and maybe bread/pasta at some meals.

There are also beans/legumes if you can tolerate them.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by array_key_first »

overgard wrote: post #87
criddell wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the zeitgeist is starting to turn on the high-protein diet recommendations: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/11/looking-to-bu... There was a story about this in the NYT recently (can't find it) and IIRC, it basically said protein is out and fiber is in. It wasn't that simple, but that was my takeaway.

Honestly, you can find studies to prove just about anything when it comes to nutrition. Too much money involved. Sometimes you have to use common sense or try different diets to see how your body reacts. I find "high fiber" and "low protein" to be a suspicious suggestion though. Protein generally has a small insulin response, your body actually needs protein, and if things like the "protein leverage hypothesis" are c…

Fiber greatly lowers your blood sugar response because you can't digest it. It also lowers your blood cholesterol for the same reason, so it's often recommended for those with a risk of CVD to eat more fruits and vegetables. It also protects against colorectal cancer for similar reasons.

Turns out just slowing down digestion can have a lot of benefits.

Also, most Americans eat very, very little fiber. Anything is an improvement. I believe the FDA recommendation is 30 grams a day, and most Americans eat, like, 2.

However, most Americans are not deficient in protein. They eat lots of meat, and very little veggies.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by tracker1 »

aworks wrote: post #146
opinion3k wrote: post #128

it's great to recommend these things but if you're poor and live in a food desert, it doesn't address the actual issues that prevent people from eating healthier: money, living in an area where the bodega or wal-mart are your only food options, corporate interests that want us to eat ultra-processed foods, not having the time or ability to cook, and many more I'm sure.

I was roaming around the rural Western US last year. If I saw that there was a Walmart in town, I perked up. Consistent, low-priced and large number of grocery items. Likely better than an unknown, variable, often poorly stocked local grocery (or worse, groceries at a gas station/convenience store). I also liked seeing the economic diversity of customers that I wouldn't see at home. In larger cities, I'll choose othe…

I'm not that far from a Walmart in a more upscale neighborhood, I used to use that one for my oil changes. Always interesting seeing a > $100k sports car in a Walmart parking lot (not referring to my car).

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

tracker1 wrote: post #104
schmuckonwheels wrote: post #30

Speaking from personal experience, this is consistent with multiple doctors over the years recommending high-protein, low carb diets. (Clarification: low does not mean no carb.) I don't understand people freaking out over this - outside of a purely political reflex - hell hath no fury like taking away nerds' Mountain Dew and Flamin' Hot Cheetos. Nor do I understand the negative reactions to new restrictions on SNAP -…

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What corporate interests are pushing against a meat centric diet that have any actual traction or power in the USA?
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