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Re: James Moylan, engineer behind arrow signaling which side to refuel a car, dies

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You mean something like HDMI? If you’ve ever tried to plug one of those into the back of a TV, you’ll know it’s still pretty difficult to get it the right way up.

> If you’ve ever tried to plug one of those into the back of a TV, you’ll know it’s still pretty difficult to get it the right way up. That's true, but the difficulty in that case comes from being unable to see the hole or fit into the space between the television and the wall. For example, plugging an HDMI cable into the back of a monitor involves none of the difficulty of plugging an HDMI cable into the back of a T…

I bought a cheap USB hub so I don't have to reach behind the TV to plug things in

Re: James Moylan, engineer behind arrow signaling which side to refuel a car, dies

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I think it depends. Especially with PHEVs, which also have a charge port, whose location is determined by charging infrastructure, and which is not IME on the same side as the gas tank opening.

My phev has charging and gas on the same side. I'm american

My PHEV has charging and fuel ports on opposite sides. Volvo XC60.

Re: James Moylan, engineer behind arrow signaling which side to refuel a car, dies

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That isn’t in conflict with it being bad design.

True. Though im unsure of what would be a better one. Doesnt get much simpler than an arrow. Id think that for a car you own you wouldnt need it after the first few times though.

a better solution would have been to have an industry wide standard icon for the fuel inlet and then an arrow would point on which side of the vehicle it is. The way it is now with the pump icon really can be confusing. If the arrow is pointing right, it seems to be suggesting the driver should go to the right of the pump which is obviously wrong.

I like the way EVs have the squiggly hose icon and that tells you everyting.it doesn't depict the charger station, but the plug point on the vehicle.

Re: James Moylan, engineer behind arrow signaling which side to refuel a car, dies

#154
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Is the side to fill up evenly balanced between cars in average? I imagine there is value to make it close to 50/50 to simplify the logistics at the gas station. I was thinking car manufacturers perhaps had agreed so that some brands do it one way and some do it another

Why would it matter? Just park on any side, I've never been to a fuel station where the hose wouldn't reach to the other side if needed. Or since you said gas and not petrol, is that an American thing? Do you guys have short hoses thah don't reach?

Re: James Moylan, engineer behind arrow signaling which side to refuel a car, dies

#155

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You mean something like HDMI? If you’ve ever tried to plug one of those into the back of a TV, you’ll know it’s still pretty difficult to get it the right way up.

> If you’ve ever tried to plug one of those into the back of a TV, you’ll know it’s still pretty difficult to get it the right way up. That's true, but the difficulty in that case comes from being unable to see the hole or fit into the space between the television and the wall. For example, plugging an HDMI cable into the back of a monitor involves none of the difficulty of plugging an HDMI cable into the back of a T…

At least HDMI is a 'low frequency' connector, often only ever plugged in once, as opposed to USB (or refueling a car)

Re: James Moylan, engineer behind arrow signaling which side to refuel a car, dies

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The hose won't always reach.

In my experience that's only true in TV adverts from my childhood. I've never had one unable to reach in real life.

Apparently you have a tiny car? I’ve never had a vehicle (even a small Subaru) that they reached.

Re: James Moylan, engineer behind arrow signaling which side to refuel a car, dies

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Is the side to fill up evenly balanced between cars in average? I imagine there is value to make it close to 50/50 to simplify the logistics at the gas station. I was thinking car manufacturers perhaps had agreed so that some brands do it one way and some do it another

Why would it matter? Just park on any side, I've never been to a fuel station where the hose wouldn't reach to the other side if needed. Or since you said gas and not petrol, is that an American thing? Do you guys have short hoses thah don't reach?

We have big cars that it’s hard to get the fuel hose to get around without scratching the paint (or not reaching at all).

Re: James Moylan, engineer behind arrow signaling which side to refuel a car, dies

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post #136

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Try in Europe

I'm in Europe, the hoses always reach to the other side of the car just fine. Or maybe you know, remember that Europe isn't one country and actually say where you are.

Try in The World

Re: James Moylan, engineer behind arrow signaling which side to refuel a car, dies

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> whats wrong with usb-a? Which way up it should go.

The side with the holes. That's true for 95% of devices, with one of the few major exceptions being cheap chinese powerbanks

Which requires being able to see the plug.

Re: James Moylan, engineer behind arrow signaling which side to refuel a car, dies

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post #137

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I recall looking at a car to buy, and the salesman toted the gas cap on the right as the "safe side". The logic was, if you run out of gas, you can refill on the side away from traffic. Dumbest design reasoning. Plan the side, for an event most people never experience?! Or if they do, once... and maybe on a rural dirt road, not necessarily a freeway. Probably wanted an excuse for moving it.

Do you also hate airplane regulations for their dumbest reasoning? You know, when they try to avoid one in a million situation saving mere 200 people?

While I have no issue with pulling up to the pump, I think many would prefer to pull up driver on the pump side.

And there is zero indication it will save even one life a decade.

Think of all the drivers pulling over and (gasp!) getting out of their cars for other ressons.

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