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Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by therobots927 »

saubeidl wrote: post #138
mikkupikku wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police are usually pretty good at their jobs, within reason. It's almost always going to take them several minutes at least to respond to your call, but when they do manage to arrive on the scene they are usually pretty good about eliminating the threat and rendering first aid/etc. There are some infamous cases where this severely broke down, instances of cops not entering an active crime scene and instead seeing…

That is, unless you're black of course. https://naacp.org/resources/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

We’re pretending our upper middle class SV bubble is reality. Poor and historically disadvantaged people don’t exist for the purposes of this conversation. /s

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by 0x1ch »

simlevesque wrote: post #34
j3s wrote: post #28

flock is the most heinous reflection of the ills of our current socioeconomic structure. absolutely nobody should be okay with mass surveillance, much less mass surveillance enabled by a private company.

It's what happens when we rank private property over human lives. We deserve this.

You can both have a desire to defend your peace, while also being against mass surveillance.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by therobots927 »

plorg wrote: post #137
gruez wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He probably being sincere. If you're logged in (or use something like xcancel), you can see the full thread, where he starts off with > Flock Safety currently solves 700,000 reported cases of crime per year, which is about 10% of reported crime nationwide > And they're just getting started His profile also says: >President & CEO @ycombinator —Founder @Initialized—designer/engineer who helps founders—SF Dem accelerati…

Gary has some unhinged politics with regards to "public safety" even excepting the Flock boosterism.

If it benefits Surveillance Valley, Garry Tan is all over it like Trump on a 13 year old

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by cm2187 »

fecal_henge wrote: post #123
cm2187 wrote: post #69

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Am I right to understand that all those cams are pointed to the street / public places? - I think you would be wrong to understand that. How on earth did you reach that conclusion? But how is that different from the thousands of live cams over youtube or the wider internet? Or the poorly secured CCTV watching every angle of any street in most big cities. - More than one thing can be wrong at once. Requires nuanced th…

> - I think you would be wrong to understand that. How on earth did you reach that conclusion?

from the video only showing cams of public places (parking lots, parks and streets). And also it seems that this is how Flock markets itself on its website.

> - I think he is demonstrating the creepy opportinities. Did he share any of that information? I think anyone with bad intent probably probably not make a video explaining what they did.

I am not saying the author is creepy, I am saying face search engines and personal information available publicly are creepy. But nothing to do with Flock.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by array_key_first »

embedding-shape wrote: post #146
array_key_first wrote: post #126

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It's not anti-democratic, it's just pragmatic. Yes the US is a democracy, but a lot of our systems suck ass and are also close in proximity. You DO NOT want to get into legal trouble in the US. Our justice system is beyond fucked. If there's one way to permanently ruin your life in the US, it's getting into legal trouble. You're better off smoking crack cocaine, that's probably healthier for your livelihood. I don't…

> I don't know about China's legal system, but even assuming it's more fucked, it's all the way over there. Not here. You're saying that the US legal system is extremely bad, shouldn't the assumption be that other countries have it better? I don't know much about either country's legal systems, but I do know that if I feel like my country is extremely bad at something, other countries probably do it better, at least…

Maybe, I mostly gave that disclaimer to say that it actually doesn't matter much. Even if it's worse, that's still better, because it's over there.

But yes, generally, I assume virtually every developed country (and some of the kind of developed countries) have a more just and competent legal system than the US.

The US is an interesting beast, because when you compare it to the entire world on a bunch of stuff, it doesn't seem so bad. But when you compare to countries that have, like, clean running water, then it really falls flat in a lot of ways. This allows apologists to basically justify anything the US does, because somebody, somewhere, is doing it much worse. Hey guys, look at Uganda, they're genociding gay people!

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by cwillu »

stronglikedan wrote: post #142
leeoniya wrote: post #92

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> You're thinking Chinese surveillance the big irony, of course, is that i'm much more comfortable with China surveilling me than the US, since the latter can throw me in jail, seize my assets, and ruin my family's life, while the former cannot.

why would the former bother, when all they have to do is take you to one of their secret police stations in the US and disappear you?

s/is take you to/is convince you to willing go to/g

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by tonymet »

I’m baffled by the state of law enforcement. On one hand we are spending loads on surveillance, but on the other we refuse to enforce violent, property & drugs-abuse crimes. Gross violent offenders are being allowed to walk. So what is the point of all the CCTV ?

As major investors in Flock, being aware of the long term law enforcement strategy, I’m guessing ycombinator can comment on what all of this investment is for.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by docjay »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #136
simlevesque wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's what happens when we rank private property over human lives. We deserve this.

I think you have it backwards. This is what happens when we rank human lives over human freedom. The argument for these cameras is that they save lives. The argument against them is that they destroy freedom.

I don’t know that I’ve heard the “saves lives” argument for this type of camera. How would that play out?
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