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The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by yegle »

I've heard good things about Moore Threads. Who knows, maybe the consumer GPU market is not a duopoly after all, Nvidia exiting the market would be a good thing longer term by introducing more competitions.

My general impression is that the US technology companies either treat competition from China seriously and actively engage, or Chinese tech companies will slowly and surely eat the cake.

There are numerous examples: the recent bankruptcy of iRobot, the 3D printer market dominated by Bambu Labs, the mini PC market where Chinese brands dominates.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by thewebguyd »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #143
TehCorwiz wrote: post #108

If they do it'll likely be part of an industry wide push to kill off the home-built PC market. It's no secret that MS and others want the kind of ecosystem Apple has and governments want more backdoor access to tech. And which mfg wouldn't want to eliminate partial upgrades/repairs. Imagine that the only PC you could buy one day has everything tightly integrated with no user serviceable or replaceable parts without a…

There is definitely a part of me which feels like with the increasing ram prices and similar. Its hard for people to have a home lab. To me what also feels is that there becomes more friction in an already really competitive and high-friction business of creating cloud. With increasing ram prices which I (from my knowledge) would only decrease in 2027-2028 or when this bubble pops, It would be extremely expensive for…

Feel the same way here. Can't help but get the vibe that big tech wants to lock consumers out, eliminate the ability to have personal computing/self-hosted computing. Maybe in tandem with governments, not sure, but it's certainly appetizing to them from a profit perspective.

The end goal is the elimination of personal ownership over any tech. They want us to have to rent everything.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by re-thc »

Apocryphon wrote: post #58
deaux wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if all the games you named combined surpass what Mihoyo makes off the likes of Genshin Impact.

Do gacha mobile games even require high-end graphics? Genshin Impact doesn't support native ray tracing.

Plenty of titles that support ray tracing eg wuthering waves.

Many gacha titles now offer amazing pc graphics on nvidia cards compared to mobile.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by throwaway613745 »

baal80spam wrote: post #112
throwaway613745 wrote: post #68

I’ve always been an AMD customer because I’ve despised Nvidia’s business practices for 10+ years. It would still suck if they left the market because who does AMD have to compete with with? Intel? LOL Increased prices for everyone. Lovely. I can’t despise AI enough.

> I’ve always been an AMD customer because I’ve despised Nvidia’s business practices for 10+ years. I am 100% sure AMD would have done the exact same thing as NVIDIA does right now, given the chance. Are you saying they wouldn't have milked the market to the last drop? Do you really believe it?

Of course they would have milked us that’s why I want Nvidia to stick around, to keep AMD in check.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by keyringlight »

baal80spam wrote: post #112
throwaway613745 wrote: post #68

I’ve always been an AMD customer because I’ve despised Nvidia’s business practices for 10+ years. It would still suck if they left the market because who does AMD have to compete with with? Intel? LOL Increased prices for everyone. Lovely. I can’t despise AI enough.

> I’ve always been an AMD customer because I’ve despised Nvidia’s business practices for 10+ years. I am 100% sure AMD would have done the exact same thing as NVIDIA does right now, given the chance. Are you saying they wouldn't have milked the market to the last drop? Do you really believe it?

If you look at AMD's CPUs there's indications they do that. When Zen1/1+/2 came out they were priced below intel's products as they needed to rebuild mindshare with their promising new chips, from Zen3 onwards where they started building a performance lead in many categories as well as core count they jacked the prices up because they could demand it.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by cyber_kinetist »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #108

If they do it'll likely be part of an industry wide push to kill off the home-built PC market. It's no secret that MS and others want the kind of ecosystem Apple has and governments want more backdoor access to tech. And which mfg wouldn't want to eliminate partial upgrades/repairs. Imagine that the only PC you could buy one day has everything tightly integrated with no user serviceable or replaceable parts without a…

I think China will then try to sell their own PC parts instead, their semiconductor industry is catching up so who knows in a decade.

But perhaps then the US will probably reply with tariffs on the PC parts (or even ban them!) Which is slowly becoming the norm for US economic policy, and which won't reverse even after Trump.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by venturecruelty »

sombragris wrote: post #33

I doubt that this would ever happen. But... If it does, I think it would be a good thing. The reason is that it would finally motivate game developers to be more realistic in their minimum hardware requirements, enabling games to be playable on onboard GPUs. Right now, most recent games (for example, many games built on Unreal Engine 5) are unplayable on onboard GPUs. Game and engine devs simply don't bother anymore…

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Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by Animats »

wmf wrote: post #93
_23sd wrote: post #70

This is just DRAM hysteria spiraling out to other kinds of hardware, will age like fine milk just like the rest of the "gaming PC market will never be the same" stuff. Nvidia has Amazon, Google, and others trying to compete with them in the data center. No one is seriously trying to beat their gaming chips. Wouldn't make any sense to give it up.

It's not related to the DRAM shortage. Gaming dropped to ~10% of Nvidia's revenue a year or two ago due to AI and there was controversy years before that about most "gaming" GPUs going to crypto miners. They won't exit the gaming market but from a shareholder perspective it does look like a good idea.

> Gaming dropped to ~10% of Nvidia's revenue a year or two ago due to AI

Well, actually it's that the AI business made NVidia 10x bigger. NVidia now has a market cap of $4.4 trillion. That's six times bigger than General Motors, bigger than Apple, and the largest market cap in the world. For a GPU maker.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by venturecruelty »

woah wrote: post #85
forrestthewoods wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it would be a good thing. This is an insane thing to say. > Game and engine devs simply don't bother anymore to optimize for the low end All games carefully consider the total addressable market. You can build a low end game that runs great on total ass garbage onboard GPU. Suffice to say these gamers are not an audience that spend a lot of money on games. It’s totally fine and good to build premium content…

I always chuckle when I see an entitled online rant from a gamer. Nothing against them, it's just humorous. In this one, we have hard-nosed defense of free market principles in the first part worthy of Reagan himself, followed by a Marxist appeal for someone (who?) to "make hardware available at an affordable price!".

TIL: being anti-monopoly is both entitled and Marxist.
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