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Re: Graphite is joining Cursor

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Post by infecto »

enraged_camel wrote: post #92
infecto wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPT contender. There has been talk on the cursor forums. I think largely people have e slept on coding models and stick with Anthropic thinking it’s the best. Composer fit that niche of extremely fast and smart enough. Sometimes you just want a model that has a near instant response. The new Gemini preview is overtaking my usage of Composer.

I used it extensively for a week and gave it an honest chance. It’s really good for quickly troubleshooting small bugs. It doesn’t come anywhere close to Opus 4.5 though.

Apples and oranges comparison. I don’t think it’s the same and good for you for waiting on Opus to respond. I don’t have the energy.

Re: Graphite is joining Cursor

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Post by Aurornis »

gravypod wrote: post #44

If these ai companies had 100x dev output, why would you acquire a company? Why not just show screenshots to your agent and get it to implement everything? Is it market share? Because I don't know who has a bigger user base that cursor.

> If these ai companies had 100x dev output,

I hate the unrealistic AI claims about 100X output as much as anyone, but to be fair Cursor hasn't been pushing these claims. It's mostly me-too players and LinkedIn superstars pushing the crazy claims because they know triggering people is an easy ticket to more engagement.

The claims I've seen out of the Cursor team have been more subtle and backed by actual research, like their analysis of PR count and acceptance rate: https://cursor.com/blog/productivity

So I don't think Cursor would have ever claimed they could duplicate a SaaS company like Graphite with their tools. I can think of a few other companies who would make that claim while their CEO was on their latest podcast tour, though.

Re: Graphite is joining Cursor

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Post by lmeyerov »

archon810 wrote: post #57
bangaladore wrote: post #53

Imo Cursor did had the first mover advantage by making the first well known AI coding agent IDE. But I can't help but think they have no realistic path forward. As someone who is a huge IDE fan, I vastly prefer the experience from Codex CLI compared to having that built into my IDE, which I customize for my general purposes. The fact it's a fork of VSCode (or whatever) will make me never use it. I wonder if they bet…

As someone who uses Cursor, i don't understand why anyone would use CLI AI coding tools as opposed to tools integrated in the IDE. There's so much more flexibility and integration, I feel like I would be much less productive otherwise. And I say this as someone who is fluent in vim in the shell. Now, would I prefer to use vs code with an extension instead? Yes, in the perfect world. But Cursor makes a better, more co…

Now that I can do a lot with 3-6 AI agents running usefully 2-5min at a time to crank through my plans, the IDE is mostly just taking valuable space

For backend/application code, I find it's instead about focusing on the planning experience, managing multiple agents, and reviewing generated artifacts+PRs. File browsers, source viewers, REPLs, etc don't matter here (verbose, too zoomed-in, not reflecting agent activity, etc), or at best, I'll look at occasionally while the agents do their thing.

Re: Graphite is joining Cursor

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Post by sergiotapia »

archon810 wrote: post #57
bangaladore wrote: post #53

Imo Cursor did had the first mover advantage by making the first well known AI coding agent IDE. But I can't help but think they have no realistic path forward. As someone who is a huge IDE fan, I vastly prefer the experience from Codex CLI compared to having that built into my IDE, which I customize for my general purposes. The fact it's a fork of VSCode (or whatever) will make me never use it. I wonder if they bet…

As someone who uses Cursor, i don't understand why anyone would use CLI AI coding tools as opposed to tools integrated in the IDE. There's so much more flexibility and integration, I feel like I would be much less productive otherwise. And I say this as someone who is fluent in vim in the shell. Now, would I prefer to use vs code with an extension instead? Yes, in the perfect world. But Cursor makes a better, more co…

I don't understand what you gain by using an "integrated IDE with AI". No snark, really asking please share always eager to learn better workflows.

I use VS Code, open a terminal with VS Code, run `claude` and keep the git diff UI open on the left sidebar, terminal at the bottom.

Re: Graphite is joining Cursor

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Post by Sleaker »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #138
jonathannorris wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, hard disagree on that one, based on recent surveys, 80-90% of developers globally use IDEs over CLIs for their day-to-day work. I was pretty worried about Cursor's business until they launched their Composer 1 model, which is fine-tuned to work amazingly well in their IDE. It's significantly faster than using any other model, and it's clearly fine-tuned for the type of work people use Cursor for. They are also…

> Yeah, hard disagree on that one, based on recent surveys, 80-90% of developers globally use IDEs over CLIs for their day-to-day work. I have absolutely no horse in this race, but I turned from a 100% Cursor user at the beginning of the year, to one that basically uses agents for 90% of my work, and VS Code for the rest of it. The value proposition that Cursor gave me was not able to compete with what the basic Max…

How does company X dependant on company Y product beat company Y in what is essentially just small UI differences? Can cursor even do anything that vscode can't right now?

Re: Graphite is joining Cursor

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Post by adamcharnock »

tyre wrote: post #112
CharlieDigital wrote: post #104

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This is how some folks on my team work. Ran into this when I saved a file manually and the editor ran formatting on it. Turns out that the dev that wrote it only codes via CLI though reviews the files in an IDE so he never manually saved it and ran the formatter.

allow me to introduce you to the lord and savior, https://pre-commit.com/

Agreed. Also Lefthook: https://github.com/evilmartians/lefthook

Re: Graphite is joining Cursor

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Post by desireco42 »

archon810 wrote: post #57
bangaladore wrote: post #53

Imo Cursor did had the first mover advantage by making the first well known AI coding agent IDE. But I can't help but think they have no realistic path forward. As someone who is a huge IDE fan, I vastly prefer the experience from Codex CLI compared to having that built into my IDE, which I customize for my general purposes. The fact it's a fork of VSCode (or whatever) will make me never use it. I wonder if they bet…

As someone who uses Cursor, i don't understand why anyone would use CLI AI coding tools as opposed to tools integrated in the IDE. There's so much more flexibility and integration, I feel like I would be much less productive otherwise. And I say this as someone who is fluent in vim in the shell. Now, would I prefer to use vs code with an extension instead? Yes, in the perfect world. But Cursor makes a better, more co…

It is very easy to open multiple terminals, have them side by side, do different things. It is more natural to invoke agents and let them do their things.

Re: Graphite is joining Cursor

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

Sleaker wrote: post #155
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah, hard disagree on that one, based on recent surveys, 80-90% of developers globally use IDEs over CLIs for their day-to-day work. I have absolutely no horse in this race, but I turned from a 100% Cursor user at the beginning of the year, to one that basically uses agents for 90% of my work, and VS Code for the rest of it. The value proposition that Cursor gave me was not able to compete with what the basic Max…

How does company X dependant on company Y product beat company Y in what is essentially just small UI differences? Can cursor even do anything that vscode can't right now?

> Can cursor even do anything that vscode can't right now?

Right now VSCode can do things that Cursor cannot, but mostly because of the market place. If Cursor invests money into the actual IDE part of the product I can see them eclipsing Microsoft at the game. They definitely have the momentum. But at least some of the folks I follow on Twitter that were die-hard Cursor users have moved back to VSCode for a variety of reasons over the last few months, so not sure.

Microsoft itself though is currently kinda mismanaging the entire product range between GitHub, VS Code and copilot, so I would not be surprised if Cursor manages to capitalize on this.

Re: Graphite is joining Cursor

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Post by dcre »

gravypod wrote: post #44

If these ai companies had 100x dev output, why would you acquire a company? Why not just show screenshots to your agent and get it to implement everything? Is it market share? Because I don't know who has a bigger user base that cursor.

Who has claimed to have 100x productivity?
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