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The US has simulated freedom with the two party systems. I don't know whether elections are rigged in the US or Singapore; but to assume that US elections is fraud free is a bit naive (see recent voter registration scandals for the prelude; and follow BlackBoxVoting for the details that humans can't directly follow). If you assume the fraud magnitude is trivial, or that it cancels out, you better have a good explanat…

I don mean fraud. The elections are rigged by the ruling party in Singapore. They time them to occur only when they are strong politically and dont give their opposition a realistic chance to compete. Th us is far from perfect, but is a stretch to all Singapore a democracy at all. Singapore is not place where one is free. It is a place where one is free to do what is in the interest of the government. Luckily, they a…

> But to put a place where one cannot buy chewing gum at the top of some list of free societies is an interesting choice.

I'm sure you believe that, as many do. I'm not saying Singapore is a free country. But it IS comparable to the US and western Europe.

So, you can't buy chewing gum in Singapore, big deal. You can't buy alcohol on a sunday in many places in the US. You can't buy wine in a grocery store in New York.

I've heard from a Yemenite guy that you can't get their traditional perfectly-legitimate-everywhere-else stimulant (can't remember the name - Jhat?) in the US.

Before Feb 2008, you could not buy a sex toy in Texas. In Alabama, you still can't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_obscenity_statute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Obscenity_Enforcement_Act ; I don't remember which state right now, but in one of them, walking shirtless down the street is enough to get you on the sex offender list.

Again, I'm not saying Singapore is free or a bastion of democracy. But theory means nothing, and in practice, it is on par with the rest of the western world.

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They do.

Actually, we do. If you look closely you'll often see a line item on the final invoice for something like "advertising" or "promotion". Yup --- they make you pay for the advertising. I learned this years ago from a site that walked through car purchase negotiation techniques. Sorry, I don't remember which site.

Thanks for clarifying that. Although I would guess that the dealers don't pay for 100% of the advertising? Or is that also the case?

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No, what you see online is a digital representation of a physical product. What you see on the lot is an actual physical product that can be touched and smelled.

...and sat in. Or not, in my 6'5" case.

Not when the dealership is closed though...that's the point of just looking online when they are closed on Sunday.

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...and sat in. Or not, in my 6'5" case.

Not when the dealership is closed though...that's the point of just looking online when they are closed on Sunday.

Very true.

Once upon a time, there was a used car dealer in Austin that unlocked all their cars when they opened in the morning. And the only time a salesguy would ask "Can I help you?" (anyone hate "What can I put you in?" too?) was when they were walking by you after talking to someone else. And they took "I'm still looking right now" for an answer.

I felt really bad when I couldn't find something I liked there.

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