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Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by BrenBarn »

oska wrote: post #142
Zigurd wrote: post #110

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Bill Gates is still kickin'. There are credible independent estimates that his funding has saved tens of millions of lives that would've been lost to malaria, AIDS, and other diseases. Effective altruism and other New Age garbage pseudo philosophy can't hold a candle to that.

In my opinion, one of the things that most reveals a person's biases and worldview is which tech oligarchs they revere and which they loathe To reveal my own bias / worldview, I loathe and detest Bill Gates in nearly every way and have done so for over three decades. I think he has had a massively negative impact on humanity, mainly by making the computer industry so shitty for 4+ decades but in other more controvers…

What if you think they're all evil?

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by oska »

BrenBarn wrote: post #151
oska wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, one of the things that most reveals a person's biases and worldview is which tech oligarchs they revere and which they loathe To reveal my own bias / worldview, I loathe and detest Bill Gates in nearly every way and have done so for over three decades. I think he has had a massively negative impact on humanity, mainly by making the computer industry so shitty for 4+ decades but in other more controvers…

What if you think they're all evil?

Yeah, that's cool. I loathe almost all of them too (e.g. Zuckerberg, Altman, Hoffman, Ellison, etc)

I guess what I'm saying is that when people only fixate on one oligarch, which one they mostly focus on can be quite telling.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by boringg »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #66
boringg wrote: post #23

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Electrek were huge Tesla boosters until about 2019 or so when Tesla voided the 2 Tesla Roadsters that Electrek staff earned through the referral program.

Actually that is incorrect - they were historically very against Tesla as a company until 2015-2018 being hugely skeptical of Tesla.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by boringg »

mmooss wrote: post #87
youarentrightjr wrote: post #56

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Sorry, what's the claim here? That electrek has a financial incentive in Tesla's failure? Or that they are reporting inaccurately?

> what's the claim here? The claim is that Musk is a victim.

FALSE the claim is that website was anti Tesla while Tesla was trying to build out the electric car market up until about 2018. Which is the funniest thing given that they are a supposedly pro electric vehicles website per name.

They switched once they realized Tesla was actually manufacturing a successful car at the time.

It's worth remember how these companies think historically instead of whitewashing the past.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by verteu »

93po wrote: post #79
verteu wrote: post #41

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It's pretty bad given there's a Tesla employee behind the wheel supervising.

There's no evidence the supervisor was behind the wheel for any of these, and I've never seen footage at all where they werent in the passenger seat

Thanks for the context, I didn't realize the supervisor sits in the passenger seat in Austin. They do have a kill switch / emergency brake, though:

> For months, Tesla’s robotaxis in Austin and San Francisco have included safety monitors with access to a kill switch in case of emergency — a fallback that Waymo currently doesn’t need for its commercial robotaxi service. The safety monitor sits in the passenger seat in Austin and in the driver seat in San Francisco

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by mmooss »

boringg wrote: post #154
mmooss wrote: post #87

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> what's the claim here? The claim is that Musk is a victim.

FALSE the claim is that website was anti Tesla while Tesla was trying to build out the electric car market up until about 2018. Which is the funniest thing given that they are a supposedly pro electric vehicles website per name. They switched once they realized Tesla was actually manufacturing a successful car at the time. It's worth remember how these companies think historically instead of whitewashing the past.

So Musk is really a victim of this website. Unless you say the contrary in all caps.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

Zigurd wrote: post #110
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #97

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Traditionally those are the things that happen once someone retires and starts contemplating where their money should go after they die.

Bill Gates is still kickin'. There are credible independent estimates that his funding has saved tens of millions of lives that would've been lost to malaria, AIDS, and other diseases. Effective altruism and other New Age garbage pseudo philosophy can't hold a candle to that.

> Bill Gates is still kickin'.

And he's retired, so the money is no longer useful to him for maintaining control over the company he runs or expanding it, which is when it traditionally starts going to charities.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by karlgkk »

fragmede wrote: post #138
karlgkk wrote: post #127

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Waymo just reached 20 million public unsupervised rides. When will it be validated enough for Tesla fanboys? (Answer: never)

Fanboy or not, we don't know how much Waymo's model relies on an army of contractors labeling every stop light, sign, and trash can that, sure, they're using LIDAR to detect them and not cameras. We also don't know much about Tesla's Robotaxi initiative and how much human help they're relying on either.

first of all, their approach does not rely on map level labeling for runtime. They do that for training, but so does every other player. High precision maps are used as a form of GPS in their solution. They also use it to determine delta if road conditions change and alert ops.

Second of all, they’re using cameras to detect things like signs and trash cans! I don’t know where this misconception came from that Waymo only uses lidar, but it demonstrates a lack of familiarity with the problem space and the solutions

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by guywithahat »

dyauspitr wrote: post #137
guywithahat wrote: post #134

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I mean if waymo had unequivocally solved the problem the country would be covered in them, and the only limit to their expansion would be how many cars they can produce. Currently they're limited by how quickly they can train on new areas, which is likely slowed by the fact they're using over 20 sensors across four different types. On the other hand, Tesla could spread across the country tomorrow if they were reliabl…

Tesla literally has a guy sitting in there.

Right, nobody has solved it. If either company had solved self driving, it would be in basically every US city. While it is my opinion that Waymo is further ahead, no company has solved the problem yet and because of that it's still not clear what the best solution will be.

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Post by boringg »

mmooss wrote: post #156
boringg wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FALSE the claim is that website was anti Tesla while Tesla was trying to build out the electric car market up until about 2018. Which is the funniest thing given that they are a supposedly pro electric vehicles website per name. They switched once they realized Tesla was actually manufacturing a successful car at the time. It's worth remember how these companies think historically instead of whitewashing the past.

So Musk is really a victim of this website. Unless you say the contrary in all caps.

The claim is that website was providing back information for about 3-4 years because they didn't like Tesla. That invalidates them as a source because they have a bias against that company. Not as you say "musk is really a victim of the website".

I do appreciate your excellent level of trolling though - we could use better level of intelligence out there.

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