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VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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>What people often defines as workable system is replicating their old editors instead of learning the current one. Like adding a file tree on the side Well, kinda. I define a workable system as a system I, personally, can work with straight away, with a minimum loss of productivity. It is not at all meant as a judgement on how good plain vim/emacs are. This workability indeed might require temporally replicating old…

> This workability indeed might require temporally replicating old habits while I learn the new ones, which lazyvim does I'm not judging your for it, but to me that sounds like learning the violin by plucking the strings like a guitar. You're increasing the learning period by following old habits which may even be harmful. I think it's better to just use the new editor sparingly, learning what you need, then switch f…

>that sounds like learning the violin by plucking the strings like a guitar.

I'd compare it more to learning photography without going for manual aperture and developing analog film straight away. You'll have a better experience if you learn stuff like framing with an automated camera that frees you to shoot a hundred pictures daily and focus on a certain skill.

I am increasing the learning period, that much is true. But if I can make use of my daily 8 hours of work as practice, that makes up for the delay, because I can get much more practice.

Maybe a student or a hobbyist can afford to spend 3 minutes nailing the regex while they learn to search and replace, I just can't be fighting that kind of friction regularly at work.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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I wonder if this will also impact VSCodium. I use it specifically to avoid a lot of the crap that Microsoft is trying to do while still being able to use the editor and plugins. They have not released 1.107 yet, doing a quick scan I am not seeing anything on the VSCodium github.

even then using vscodium does not free you from the grasps. vscode by design is designed to fracture - see https://ghuntley.com/fracture

Thanks for the link. This is a great analysis of Microsoft's open source strategy.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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I'm a Kate zealot, if you're on Linux it's great with some LSP servers. The plugins/extensions are nice. There are also macOS and Windows builds. For the terminal, micro is nice if you're used to GUI editors.

Kate is such a refreshing change. Super responsive and fast under Asahi. It's the best dev environment I've worked with in a very long time. A few niggles with the switch, like it seems to assume Git but I'm using Fossil. I also haven't found a decent cheat-sheet for keyboard controls. I got duplicate block and move block working, and really enjoy the column editing, but still using cut for line delete. I think KWrit…

Yeah KWrite is a lite Kate. If you go through the settings, there's a Fossil checkbox, too :)

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Microsoft doing Microsoft things, even with all those fresh coats of "open source" paint they bathe themselves in the last decade they really can't change their DNA. Expect the amount of f*ckery to increase as the AI realities set in but the number has to go up either way. It reminds me of the good old days of Visual Studio + .NET + SQL Server where they played these games too.

This made me laugh a bit as I remembered people saying “Oh we have Nadella now, things have changed”. Have they? Have they really? Windows Recall. VS Code forcing Copilot. Windows forcing Copilot. Office forcing Copilot. Azure forcing Copilot. GitHub forcing Copilot. Outlook forcing Copilot. Edge forcing Copilot. You folks are insane.

The bit that really annoyed me: you can't even remove the Copilot button from the Office ribbon any more. Microsoft simply have hidden the option in the Ribbon customisation settings.

Even though I don't use it, and have disabled as much Copilot functionality as Microsoft will let me.

I can't wait for this AI bubble to burst.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Windows users are not customers. Businesses are. Tech conglomerates and everyone adjacent are going for the big money, it's what everyone is doing , it really is a fantastic world devoid of anything but ROI numbers. The fastest way to get rich or die trying, gangstas got nothing on these cats.

I'm doubtful many businesses are requesting many of these features. I don't think it's wise for them to want stuff like Recall (data exfiltration) or current state of the art agents doing calculations or analysis for them -- at least without a qualified human closely reviewing it's output and conclusions. I do see businesses wanting simpler, more reliable software with fluid and consistent interfaces, but MSFT isn't…

Business owners are stupid, and they, too, need to signal to their investors that they're "all in" on AI.

AI is, currently, more of a culture than a product for businesses. At least, the ones that don't literally make the models. I'm sure a lot of business owners really do want all the AI stuff, and then their employees will just work around it, like they do with all sales or signaling driven decisions.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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EF Core!? Holy cow, no. Stopped using that years ago. Linq is nice, but I don't really miss it.

What's a better ORM in terms of productivity and ergonomics?

IMO no ORM. I've only had issues with ORMs. They work okay-ish in the very bare-bones usecases, like inserting one record into one table or fetching one record. After that, their semantics just impede your velocity.

You can represent really, really complex data retrieval and consolidation semantics in SQL. ORMs are really more of an organizational tool in my mind.

I just throw all the SQL functions into a repository class around one "thing". Not even object, it can be related functionality or operations.

SQL in code can be awful, if spread out across your codebase. So I think just don't do that.

We have a monolith that gets maybe ~1000 commits a day. We don't use an ORM, just SQL and query builders. It works out if you have good modularization.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Which is fine. No one expects them to support everything forever.

A 2025 Linux kernel with all recent features is able to boot on a system from 2006. Likewise the Windows 11 (which is just a rebranded Windows 10, just look at the full build number which should start with 10.x) kernel could boot systems from ~2017 onwards. Maybe with some kernel features disabled which most (if not all) Windows 10 users would not miss anyway, but it could still boot without any issues. Those running…

>A 2025 Linux kernel with all recent features is able to boot on a system from 2006.

Because no one on the kernel team likes deleting code, specifically because someone will try to install it on their old ass work laptop from a decade ago.

Microsoft choosing not to support that old ass laptop is a company choice. There are costs involved with maintaining the support structure. Whereas Linux is primarily funded by enterprises who use it on servers, which may not be updated hardware wise in a longer period of time.

If Linus Torvalds or Miguel De Icaza introduce copilot, I swear I’m going to go all in on BSD.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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> No-one wants this. If they make it a paid-for version, it affects no-one. You didn't read the article, did you? "... deactivated the popular IntelliCode extension, which had over 60 million downloads..." I'm a Microsoft hater, but let's stick to facts here, over 60 million downloads is not "no-one".

I'm guessing that's 60 million people that don't have a small child that can just type stuff that looks kind of like code but doesn't actually work like code. No real need for a plugin, there.

I can't argue with that!

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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That seems a bit of an overreaction. The top 10 front loading washing machines on Consumer Reports' rating list are 8 LGs followed by a Samsung and another LG. If you don't want WiFi you can still get a top rated washer. The LG WM3400CW, which is in a 3 way tie for high score, does not have WiFi (or Bluetooth, or any other radio). Note: Consumer Reports says that it does have WiFi but they are mistaken. It does have…

> Front loading That's the problem. Front-loading washers have generally been a terrible invention. Unbalancing and mold are among the widespread problems. The actually reliable washers are still top-load.

I've always wondered, since we only have front-load washers here in the UK, is there some sort of advantage to it, aside from space, which seems to be the obvious one, does gravity help with battering the clothes around when the drum spins slowly enough they can fall from the top of the drum?
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