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Pebble Index 01 – External memory for your brain

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Re: Pebble Index 01 – External memory for your brain

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Post by Daneel_ »

erohead wrote: post #65

(Pebble founder) Happy to answer any questions you have!

Given that the user will typically have their watch on them as well, why not make the ring a battery-less BLE transmitter that triggers voice input on the watch? It’s still one-handed operation, but now the battery life is infinite since there’s no battery? The disposable ring seems like a solution in search of a problem to me, unfortunately.

Example button: https://core-electronics.com.au/self-powered-wireless-switch...

I imagine the reason is reliability, but USD$99 plus international shipping every two years isn’t worth that to me, sorry.

Aside: I loved my kickstarter pebble and my steel, btw!

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Post by jbstack »

layer8 wrote: post #46
Bolwin wrote: post #18

Wow I was just looking for finding like this, but.. can't be recharged? It would be one thing if it had like 500 hours of recording, but this has 12-15.

> How long does the battery last? > Roughly 12 to 15 hours of recording. On average, I use it 10-20 times per day to record 3-6 second thoughts. That’s up to 2 years of usage. Two years isn’t too bad, but at $99 the price is still a bit high for that.

It's pretty bad when you consider that you have to limit it to just this use-case (3-6 second recordings 10-20 times a day), when it could have instead been useful for other things e.g. recording much longer thoughts or making notes while reading a book or watching a video.

Even for just the narrow use-case, 2 years is still pretty poor. I generally expect my tech to last a lot longer than that.

Re: Pebble Index 01 – External memory for your brain

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Post by apparent »

dotdi wrote: post #116

I was typing in my CC info when I went back to read about battery life. This is meant as positive feedback: I won't be ordering a non-rechargeable device with 12 hours of recording for $100. Imagine I fall asleep with it on my finger and accidentally press the button with my head. It's recording me snore for 3 hours, and 25% battery life gone.

Based on the description, this doesn't seem plausible. If the button is as clicky as it sounds, it would hurt your head/hand/both to do the thing you describe.

Re: Pebble Index 01 – External memory for your brain

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Post by jbstack »

Daneel_ wrote: post #48
nerdsniper wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says the battery lasts for years. Is that a misleading claim? Edit FTA: > How long does the battery last? > Roughly 12 to 15 hours of recording. On average, I use it 10-20 times per day to record 3-6 second thoughts. That’s up to 2 years of usage.

It says two years of average use. “Two” is not “years” in my opinion. “Years” implies at least 3-5.

> It says two years of average use.

Even this is misleading. The product hasn't been released yet. So what is it an average of? How do you know how people will use it?

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Post by ibdf »

"Roughly 12 to 15 hours of recording. On average, I use it 10-20 times per day to record 3-6 second thoughts. That’s up to 2 years of usage." They really don't seem have tested the battery life, so 2 years is probably the best case scenario here. He says there's no subscription but if you need to buy one every 2 years or less, then that's the subscription. The primary reason given for not having an option to charge is just awful: "You would probably lose the charger before the battery ran out". This is seriously a device for reviewers and youtubers to hype, make a video about it, and then it's gone.

Re: Pebble Index 01 – External memory for your brain

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Post by Daneel_ »

gegtik wrote: post #99

I'll be honest, after seeing a nightmare situation where a smartring battery inflated and cut off circulation to a finger, I will never ever buy a ring with a battery in it.

I’d be interested to see a battery-less ring that uses the mechanical energy of the press to power a BLE transmitter to trigger voice input on a watch. I feel like it’s much safer, plus it has no fixed lifespan.

Re: Pebble Index 01 – External memory for your brain

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Post by jbstack »

apparent wrote: post #137
Daneel_ wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says two years of average use. “Two” is not “years” in my opinion. “Years” implies at least 3-5.

Two is years. Some people would even say that 1.5 is "years". I go back and forth on this. Is it correct to say that something costs "thousands of dollars" if it costs $1,800? If it costs $2,000, IMO it's clear.

Something can be technically true while still being misleading. In fact arguably that's what the word misleading means (as opposed to false).

I think most people, when told that something will last for "years", would be quite surprised to learn that it will fail after 2 years.

Re: Pebble Index 01 – External memory for your brain

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Post by apparent »

Daneel_ wrote: post #33
tenacious_tuna wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from the article: > Initially, we experimented by building this as an app on Pebble, since it has a mic and I’m always wearing one. But, I realized quickly that this was suboptimal - it required me to use my other hand to press the button to start recording (lift-to-wake gestures and wake-words are too unreliable). This was tough to use while bicycling or carrying stuff.

I’ve never had that issue with my Apple Watch. Granted, apple are a world-class developer (arguably), so their stuff might be more reliable, but I use raise-to-speak and hey siri with my watch all the time.

This is probably also part of the reason that the AW battery lasts so much less time. It's always on the lookout for these events, and over time that ends up having a non-trivial impact on battery. For Pebble users, that would significantly compromise one of the main selling points of the Pebble.
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