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Icons in Menus Everywhere – Send Help

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Re: Icons in Menus Everywhere – Send Help

#151
Ё-моё, this is really bad, I am so glad that I never upgraded to Tahoe.

Can we just stop endless design churn and resists urge to innovate in a fashion industry manner in software UI ? This is ridiculous.

And f. the product managers that pushing for this, f. the SIP, lets reverse engineer the crap out of this and reverse all this changes with easy to use system level patch.

Re: Icons in Menus Everywhere – Send Help

#154
post #8

I think this is an example of the emojification of communication. I suspect that trend is being sustained, at least, by LLMs who are prone to abusing vapid emojis everywhere. I think that to a certain superficial level of analysis, a matched set of icons looks "complete" and indeed impressive. Designers and implementers of the interface can fool themselves through customary use that they're creating a language of ide…

This article made me realize why I always struggle to get through long documents generated by LLMs. The overuse of emojis doesn’t make it easier for me to find useful information, instead, it just adds a lot of noise.

Re: Icons in Menus Everywhere – Send Help

#155

Pictograms in the interface are not decoration. Their purpose is to convey information in limited space. (The information should be that could be conveyed this way.) Currently they are often used as decorations or these two uses are mixed up. This is a mistake. (It is interesting and saddening to see how years of UI research just went down the drain after Apple "resurrection". In my impression Apple was the first tha…

I disagree, pictures are easier to remember than words and I'm much faster (several hundred miliseconds) at quickly spotting an icon in the 12th place down a list and clicking it because I memorized it visually than reading the actual words.

So icons make power users faster. It's not "clutter". Your argument about "don't use it for aesthetics" is ironic because you're making it because of aesthetics. For me it's about user speed.

Re: Icons in Menus Everywhere – Send Help

#156
post #10

From the article: "What I find really interesting about this change on Apple’s part is how it seemingly goes against their own previous human interface guidelines..." Welcome to Apple of the last decade. As an avid user of many Apple products, this has been extremely frustrating to experience. Hopefully Alan Dye's departure will see at least partial return to obeying Apple's own HIG.

Icons in menus do follow the 2025 HIG: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... The author is criticising 2025 macOS for not following the 2005 HIG. This is not reasonable criticism, the HIG are not set in stone and they have changed many times in the past 20 years.

The link you attached still contains these:

> Don’t display an icon if you can’t find one that clearly represents the menu item

> Not all menu items need an icon. Be careful when adding icons for custom menu items to avoid confusion with other existing actions, and don’t add icons just for the sake of ornamentation.

> Instead of adding individual icons for each action, or reusing the same icon for all of them, establish a common theme with the symbol for the first item and rely on the menu item text to keep the remaining items distinct

Re: Icons in Menus Everywhere – Send Help

#157
The general point holds - there is no universal solution, to some people some icons will be noise, to some the same icons will be instant visual parsing replacing reading, so the solution is obvious - easy user customization (ideally at an OS level where every single File-Open menu action can only be renamed/icon-added/removed / keyboard shortcut changed). But that's just a dream

Re: Icons in Menus Everywhere – Send Help

#158

Pictograms in the interface are not decoration. Their purpose is to convey information in limited space. (The information should be that could be conveyed this way.) Currently they are often used as decorations or these two uses are mixed up. This is a mistake. (It is interesting and saddening to see how years of UI research just went down the drain after Apple "resurrection". In my impression Apple was the first tha…

> Their purpose is to convey information in limited space.

No, that's only one of their purposes. Another one is faster visual parsing of shape recognition instead of reading even if space is not an issue (just like with all of these menus, they waste so much space on padding they could fit command names 3 more times)

Re: Icons in Menus Everywhere – Send Help

#159
post #155

Pictograms in the interface are not decoration. Their purpose is to convey information in limited space. (The information should be that could be conveyed this way.) Currently they are often used as decorations or these two uses are mixed up. This is a mistake. (It is interesting and saddening to see how years of UI research just went down the drain after Apple "resurrection". In my impression Apple was the first tha…

I disagree, pictures are easier to remember than words and I'm much faster (several hundred miliseconds) at quickly spotting an icon in the 12th place down a list and clicking it because I memorized it visually than reading the actual words. So icons make power users faster. It's not "clutter". Your argument about "don't use it for aesthetics" is ironic because you're making it because of aesthetics. For me it's abou…

an icon for "save" will suffice to help me find the portion of the menu with "save as", "save a copy", and "export". when all four have the same icon, or slight variations, i'm back to reading each one to discern the difference.

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#160
post #57

My biggest design peeve of the examples posted is the inconsistent indentation of each section of the menu. Where if any single item in the section has an icon it gets indented, but if none do it doesn't, and seeing them next to each other is jarring. I feel this is especially inconsistent design because if a menu item has a check mark it indents all menu items in the whole menu. I would have thought Apple would have…

I imagine Steve Jobs would've asked to see whoever designed those menues, picked up their laptop and thrown it out the window...

That would indeed be the myth. The reality is what you see on the screen
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