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Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by Fnoord »

getpokedagain wrote: post #46
rckt wrote: post #17

It would be great if all these companies contributed to a some kind of a unified modular platform like Project ARA. I see a lot of new devices, but they all do their own stuff. They produce hardware for their software, the end result is the same as with big brands. Most of these devices are usable while they are supported by these companies. Some of them allow installing custom Android roms, but not many. Looks like…

Am I the only one who just feels burnt out on these type of projects? We have a plethora of raspberry pi and other arm mobile developer kits that all just fail to deliver. They make great pet projects but fail at what most mobile phones do great which is provide a computer I can reliably and safely take with me in life. This pilet thing has 7 hours of battery life, is huge and will probably explode if I put it in my…

There is probably one other person on planet Earth who also just feels burnt out on these type of projects (you can just call it cyberdeck).

Meanwhile, from [1]

> 2,777 backers pledged CA$ 1,264,707 to help bring this project to life.

> UPDATE: The project got fully funded within 5 minutes! Can’t believe the support—thank you so much!

ClockworkPi's DevTerm, uConsole, GameShell are constantly sold out [2]. Hackberry Pi, constantly sold out.

Jolla's strength is SailfishOS which is a successor of Maemo/MeeGo. It is a Linux-based solution with a good, gesture-based UI with Android emulation.

GrapheneOS has nothing to do with any of these projects. It is software-only, for Google Pixel devices, and it has a specific strength (security) no other OS/HW combo comes close to.

The strength of a modular smartphone is, it is repairable and you can physically alter its features without changing form factor, like Framework. For smartphones, I believe a Fairphone is very modular, and smartwatches Pixel Watch 4 (but it only runs WearOS).

[1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/soulscircuit/pilet-open...

[2] https://www.clockworkpi.com

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by stiray »

mariusor wrote: post #144
stiray wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is nonsense. They cant force vendors to support them, so the only viable strategy is to support the vendors. And they can, but they decided not to.

I feel like you're focusing on the wrong thing from what I said. Jolla is a small company, they don't have the man power to support everything. They already do a lot by supporting devices from vendors that are sympathetic to being open (the Sony open devices program for example). > And they can, but they decided not to. They can what, exactly?

They can support passtrough for bluetooth and NFC. It is not something they need to invent themself.

I cant emphasize enought how this feature is of most importance for my daily life. At 48, I am using either the bicycle or public transport for my daily commute (for 30+ years!). I can workaround it by buying a NFC card each month but very typically it is not available without considerate walk time. Not to mention banking app, but I have covered it by reversing and patching it. How many users will do that?

It is not my fault, that the world is as it is. But not supporting real life scenarios is certainly Jollas fault.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by Lord-Jobo »

nebula8804 wrote: post #134
nikanj wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every now and then some phone manufacturer mistakes online sentiment for actual demand and gets burned making a mini phone that won’t sell

Yeah...like Apple: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula... As someone holding onto their iPhone mini 13 for dear life, I hope they will release a one off in a few years once support for the 13 mini ends.

Yeah I feel like putting it closer to the SE lifecycle is must be a better decision than fully axing the mini lineup. If we get a mini 13, then a mini 19 or 20? I can live with that.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by jeffbee »

pessimizer wrote: post #119
jeffbee wrote: post #81

"Real Linux on a phone" sounds to me like the worst user experience imaginable. And the whole thing about "no phoning home" should be interpreted as "we have no idea whether the latest release is crashing in the wild or not".

You probably never used Maemo, whose UI (and also Palm's WebOS UI) were ripped off for later versions of Android and iOS, which wasn't even multitasking yet. Literally hired the same people to do them. Jolla started with the FOSS parts of Maemo but went proprietary. If Nokia hadn't been intentionally destroyed by its board in a romance with Microsoft cash, through a Canadian snake, Maemo would have been a real conten…

Again, starting from elements of Maemo is a surefire way to ship a ghastly user experience. The N800 that I still own had the most hostile UI of any device I ever bought with my own money. The reason it flopped was because it is really bad, not a great conspiracy.

Look at the TODOs for Maemo Leste, which you just referenced. "Phone calls should work, with audio, when alsamixer is set up properly". That is F-tier user experience. OpenMoko-level garbage.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by thesuitonym »

nikanj wrote: post #88
mhitza wrote: post #18

47% percent of voters wanted a ~6" phone, and 12% of voters a ~7" phone. I guess me and the remaining 41% of voters are still left wishing for 5" phones to make a comeback.

Every now and then some phone manufacturer mistakes online sentiment for actual demand and gets burned making a mini phone that won’t sell

I've been IT operations for years, and when I order laptops I sometimes do a little experiment. If I ask people if they want a 15.6" laptop or a 13" laptop, they always say 15.6. If I don't give them a choice and just start buying 13" laptops, everybody tells me how much they love the smaller laptop, and people still on the 15.6" models start looking around asking when they can get the smaller one.

People don't know what they want unless you give it to them.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by nebula8804 »

ux266478 wrote: post #9
parasitid wrote: post #7

it's based on a proprietary os, which includes halium proprietary blobs. imho, linux users should focus on phones well supported by postmarketos

All phones end up reliant on proprietary blobs. Not that I disagree in principle, but we have to be realistic. Hardware manufacturers, telcoms and to some degree regulators all do not like user freedom with regards to phones.

Isn't the Librem 5 fully open?

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by mariusor »

stiray wrote: post #152
mariusor wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you're focusing on the wrong thing from what I said. Jolla is a small company, they don't have the man power to support everything. They already do a lot by supporting devices from vendors that are sympathetic to being open (the Sony open devices program for example). > And they can, but they decided not to. They can what, exactly?

They can support passtrough for bluetooth and NFC. It is not something they need to invent themself. I cant emphasize enought how this feature is of most importance for my daily life. At 48, I am using either the bicycle or public transport for my daily commute (for 30+ years!). I can workaround it by buying a NFC card each month but very typically it is not available without considerate walk time. Not to mention ban…

As far as I'm aware there's a Patchmanager patch for enabling bluetooth in the Android subsystem. But I don't really understand your vehemence against me, or them for that matter.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by dogma1138 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #89
dijit wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supply chain has left us. Since there's no new development happening with small phones, we'd have to settle for "older spec" screens (IE, new stock iPhone 5 screens, with none of the colour accuracy, frame-rate etc improvements from the last 10 years). People don't like "old spec", so they'd probably not buy those devices. If you're a small player, then you're downstream of the supply chain, you don't make the rules.…

> colour accuracy, frame-rate Absolutely irrelevant for what I do with a phone, and I'd wager that 90% of users would not notice the difference.

Variable frame rate screens aren’t just for making the phone feel snappier but are also needed for the battery to last longer.

If your production volume isn’t high enough to justify a custom screen to be cut you are stuck with what is available on the market.

And even if 5” screens are available now in the form of NOS or upcycled refurbs that may not be the case 2 or 3 not to mention 5+ years down the line.

So you have to go with what not only is available today but with what is still likely to be available throughout the expected usable lifetime of your product.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by 0rzech »

mariusor wrote: post #112
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #84

They'll have my money if they meet the requirements for GrapheneOS.

Sailfish OS is better than GrapheneOS through virtue of being mostly a vanilla linux distribution with Android being just an optional bad dream.

GrapheneOS' main selling point is security. Is Sailfish OS better at that, or at least in the same league, nowadays?

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by boznz »

nikanj wrote: post #88
mhitza wrote: post #18

47% percent of voters wanted a ~6" phone, and 12% of voters a ~7" phone. I guess me and the remaining 41% of voters are still left wishing for 5" phones to make a comeback.

Every now and then some phone manufacturer mistakes online sentiment for actual demand and gets burned making a mini phone that won’t sell

Only Apple would consider selling millions, but not tens of millions a failure.
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