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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by miroljub »

TheDong wrote: post #77
CamouflagedKiwi wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main thing I like about Github's PRs is that it's a system I'm already familiar with and have a login/account for. It's tedious going to contribute to a project to find I have to sign up for and learn another system. I've used Gerrit years ago, so wasn't totally unfamiliar, but it was still awkward to use when Go were using it for PRs. Notably that project ended up giving up on it because of the friction for user…

> Notably [go] ended up giving up on [gerrit] That's not accurate. They more or less only use Gerrit still. They started accepting Github PRs, but not really, see https://go.dev/doc/contribute#sending_a_change_github > You will need a Gerrit account to respond to your reviewers, including to mark feedback as 'Done' if implemented as suggested The comments are still gerrit, you really shouldn't use Github. The Go revi…

Many people confuse competence and dedication.

A competent developer would be more likely to send a PR using the tool with zero friction than to dedicate a few additional hours of his life to create an account and figure out how to use some obscure.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by arccy »

ncruces wrote: post #121
TheDong wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Notably [go] ended up giving up on [gerrit] That's not accurate. They more or less only use Gerrit still. They started accepting Github PRs, but not really, see https://go.dev/doc/contribute#sending_a_change_github > You will need a Gerrit account to respond to your reviewers, including to mark feedback as 'Done' if implemented as suggested The comments are still gerrit, you really shouldn't use Github. The Go revi…

> The Go reviewers are also more likely than usual to assume you're incompetent if your PR comes from Github I've always done it that way, and never got that feeling.

there's certainly a higher rejection rate for github PRs

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by boomlinde »

myaccountonhn wrote: post #67
IshKebab wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say "I'm not making yet another account to report this bug". Tangled is trying to solve that problem but we'll see.

That's the beauty of email-based approaches. You can just clone, do your changes and `git send-email`. Done. I think it would've been far easier to build a decent GUI around that flow, with some email integration + a patch preview tool, rather than adding activitypub, but oh well.

> I think it would've been far easier to build a decent GUI around that flow, with some email integration + a patch preview tool, rather than adding activitypub, but oh well.

Check out Sourcehut (https://sourcehut.org/). It uses a mailing list-based workflow so contributing code or bug reports is relatively effortless and doesn't require a Sourcehut account.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by reppap »

nromiun wrote: post #91
reppap wrote: post #61

One thing that's really nice about codeberg is how fast the pages load. Browsing GitHub often feels very sluggish. Obviously there's a difference in scale there, but I hope codeberg can keep being fast.

That is surprising. It is the opposite for me. $ time curl -L 'https://codeberg.org/' real 0m3.063s user 0m0.060s sys 0m0.044s $ time curl -L 'https://github.com/' real 0m1.357s user 0m0.077s sys 0m0.096s

GitHub frontpage is very quick indeed, but browsing repos can sometimes have load times over a full second for me. Especially when it's less popular repos less likely to be in a cache.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by notpushkin »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #69

Zig is distributed under the MIT License. MS is completely with in their rights to clone the git repository from Codeberg and do whatever with the source code. Including feeding it to their AI algorithms. Moving it to Codeberg doesn't really fix that. I get that some people want to restrict what people can do with source code (including using it for capitalist purposes or indeed ai/machine learning). But the whole po…

> Zig is distributed under the MIT License. MS is completely with in their rights to clone the git repository from Codeberg and do whatever with the source code. Including feeding it to their AI algorithms.

MIT license requires attribution, which AI algorithms don’t provide AFAIK. So either (a) it’s fair use and MS can do that regardless of the license or (b) MS can’t do that. In any case, yeah, that’s not the issue Zig folks have with GitHub.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by ncruces »

exceptione wrote: post #38
bayindirh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, they're battling with DDoS all the time. I follow their account on Mastodon, and they're pretty open about it. I believe the correct question is "Why they are getting DDoSed this much if they are not something important?" For anyone who wants to follow: https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg Even their status page is under attack. Sorry for my French, but WTF?

Crazy. Who would have an incentive to spend resources on DDoS'ing Codeberg? The only party I can think of would be Github. I know that the normalization of ruthlessness and winner-takes-all mentality made crime mandatory for large parts of the economy, but still cannot wrap my mind around it.

Big tech would be far more interested in slurping data than DDoS'ing them.

An issue with comments, linked to a PR with review comments, the commit stack implementing the feature, and further commits addressing comments is probably valuable data to train a coding agent.

Serving all that data is not just a matter of cloning the repo. It means hitting their (public, documented) API end points, that are likely more costly to run.

And if they rate limit the scrappers, the unscrupulous bunch will start spreading requests across the whole internet.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by cyanydeez »

testdelacc1 wrote: post #144
brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

that attitude has and continues to approach a entire bloodless coup of the largest economy on the planet.

The normalization, in fact, has been quite successful. The entire silicon valley has tacitly approved of it.

You act like people arn't being rewarded for this type of behavior.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by kachapopopow »

mittermayr wrote: post #110

Additional note on Codeberg, which I think is great as a project, but I got curious on what infrastructure they are running on and how reliable this would be for larger corporate repos. Nov 22, 2025 https://blog.codeberg.org/letter-from-codeberg-onwards-and-u... Quotes from their website: Infrastructure status [...] We are running on 3 servers, one Gigabyte and 2 Dell servers (R730 and R740). Here's their current har…

oh wow I had a larger cluster than that since I was 20 more than half a decade ago, considering that the costs appear to be so low maybe I should also pop out few free services since at the moment I pay $600+ just on power costs alone for idle hardware on my personal cluster. If anyone has any ideas feel free to email me at: news.ycombinator.com.reassure132@passmail.net

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by vthriller »

mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

> In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser

How do you define "code navigation"? It might've got a bit easier with automatic highlighting of selected symbols, but in return source code viewer got way too laggy and, for a couple of years now, it has this weird bug with misplaced cursors if code is scrolled horizontally. I actually find myself using the "raw" button more and more often, or cloning repo even for some quick ad-hoc lookups.

Edit: not to mention the blame view that actively fights with browser's built in search functionality.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by akmittal »

jcmfernandes wrote: post #117
mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

> a well-formed CI system Man :| no. I genuinely understand the convenience of using Actions, but it's a horrible product.

Curious what are some better options. I feel it is completing with Jenkins and CircleCI and its not that bad.
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